Time Magazine:
The hacking of state and local election databases in 2016 was more extensive than previously reported, including at least one successful attempt to alter voter information, and the theft of thousands of voter records that contain private information like partial Social Security numbers, current and former officials tell TIME
Time reports: "The fact that private data was stolen from states is separately providing investigators a previously unreported line of inquiry in the probes into Russian attempts to influence the election. In Illinois, more than 90% of the nearly 90,000 records stolen by Russian state actors contained drivers license numbers, and a quarter contained the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers, according to Ken Menzel, the General Counsel of the State Board of Elections."
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/
If this is the case, this is FAR more serious that previously thought and has far deeper and greater ramifications. Right now they know that there was hacking, that information was stolen and that the election was interfered with. It's just a matter of proving WHO did the hacking and stole the information.
The key quote from the article: “Congressional investigators are probing whether any of this stolen private information made its way to the Trump campaign.”
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/
Former Vermont Governor and former DNC Chair Howard Dean
“This is much more serious than previous information. This opens the door to the idea that Trump may have won with falsified votes”. This distinction is crucial. Up to now, the Trump-Russia investigation has centered around the role that Russian hackers played in accessing voter data, and allegedly informing the Trump campaign as to which voters and states it should target with its campaign efforts – thus using illegal tactics to convince people to vote in a certain manner. But now we’re talking about Russian hackers having actually changed people’s votes without their knowledge.
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/howard-dean-donald-trump-falsified-votes/3589/
We are leading into the "means to more than one end"...getting Trump elected and getting Trump out and away from office and the public eye.
Jeanne,
one of your predictions for July said:
Trump:
Not sure why I’m seeing this vision of cadets who constitute the presidential guard around him, as are around all presidents. He likes that honor. Feels like a king. He’s going to miss this royal treatment. But am now wondering if there is a deeper meaning in my seeing this vision, like he’s in so much trouble at this point, that the presidential guard is not just there to protect him, but symbolically is there to guard him like a prisoner. (Jeanne)
I'm hoping it is getting deeper when both Time and The Palmer Report and Howard Dean beginning stepping out with these connections! Trump is probably already surrounded by his chosen few he can depend on to protect him no matter what!
Thoughts from that last scan a number of you did on Trump??
For people who may not be familiar with some of the latest developments (which have been overshadowed by the presidents recent tweets) the WSJ came out with a story the other day indicating that there was indeed at the very least an attempt by the Trump campaign to collude with the Russians. One of the people named in the story, a UK Internet security analyst, made a post today that filled in some of the details. The puzzle pieces are starting to fall into place.
https://lawfareblog.com/time-i-got-recruited-collude-russians
Paul if this guy you just referenced is for real, it fills in many blanks that were omitted in the WSJ story. The man provided so much detail. Thanks for posting.
For me there are two aspects to the whole Trump-Russia relationship: what I feel in my gut is true, and what they will be able to prove.
Wow Paul W.
What an amazing, amazing story! As Jeanne says, if this is true ..and what is known can be proved and used..the repercussions are huge.
But of course, it the story ends the way the predictors are currently seeing, scanning, and feeling ..we may just get more covert cover ups. But wow. Just wow. Keep us informed if more comes to light. Fascination..bigger and more complex than any of us could have imagined.
Yes, the collusion between Trump and Russians is starting to surface. Also it's noteworthy that the man who broke the story died nine days after he met with the Wall Street Journal. They never had the chance to question him further. He was 81, but that doesn't mean he died of old age.
Not sure if this has been said on this Forum, maybe it was and maybe even by me, lol. But there is evidence that the Russians used hacked voter registration information to foul up the elections in democratic precincts. When people showed up to vote, their names were not on the lists or there were other foul ups. This created hours-long waits for people to vote, which in turn discouraged democrats from voting in those precincts. Just another way to influence the election. Now you are also finding evidence that they could have used the drivers license information to cast votes? Not sure how that would work.
I was reading your post Jeanne, and the old Mad Magazine image of two dark cutouts of spies with pointed hat's flashed into consciousness...the old "Spy vs Spy" series.
I believe the hacking is more involved than just digital hacking but that there is a growing network of actual Russian spy operatives that are in our country under the guise of business or other jobs or levels of educational teaching that are using their skills and influences and placement in American societal influences to directly effect and alter , perhaps even recruit, similar to covert terrorism.
There's so much our government doesn't know, has not been focusing on..its like North Korea's last missile launch..power and ability and technology that we foolishly believed they weren't yet capable of creating. Add in the awareness of potential "booster ride along" nuclear capabilities...and transfer that idea to tbe Spy network combined with elitist spy "boots on the ground" infiltrating operating all varieties of hacking systems from voting to nuclear and electrical power plants, digital grids, to subway systems right down to air control systems and subways .
Well, it makes hiding under my school desk during the cold war seem truly like being in kindergarten in comparison.
Hi,
I have been getting visions for some time now of a huge tree with its roots continuing to grow and grow and grow. Then I am shown an image of Mueller. It just feels like behind the scenes the investigation keeps getting broader and broader and way beyond the scope that people realize. And, the root network is going "deeper" and quickly. I don't know if "deeper" means he is getting to the root of the matter or if the people that are being investigated are getting "deeper" (as in up to their eyeballs) in trouble. (Maybe both). I keep being shown a winter landscape meaning this may (Presidency) come to a head (or parts of it) in a cold month (maybe early next year). And, I keep getting an image of a wheel turning. The "wheels are in motion". Probably means this is absolutely the beginning of the end. Might take a while but there is no stopping it.
Avalon, Thanks for weighing in and welcome to our community. It's well established that when the FBI investigates something like this, they are very thorough. Everyone who knows anyone is investigated, down to the people who drive their cars, to dinner friends. There was a moment the press described in the White House one day where some young interns were about to duck into a meeting. They were stopped by higher ups who warned them that, although they were welcome to attend, it they did, they'd likely have to end up hiring lawyers.
I too have felt that the roots of this investigation go way beyond what we read in the press. I would imagine that most of the people on the Trump team have their own staff and those people have staff.
I've wondered if the Russians have supplied some of those staff people, including some computer techs and some even trained as spies. If Flynn sat on the NSA, did he have technical staff there with him? If so, where did he find those guys?
I also wonder if there are some congresspeople, and their staff, also in on the Russian deal.
I keep hearing Manafort's name in my head. I feel his connections go far and deep. He may have suggested people for Trump to consider as cabinet persons. He may also have suggested some of their staff.
In all levels of government, there are not only cabinet members, but undersecretaries and deputies and assistant deputies, and each of these have staff.
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin and his oligarchs have people in this network.