I am not sure how exactly, or why, but I do not feel like they are just going to acquit him in the senate. Which I know makes no sense. My brain says they will. I get a feeling something is coming out very soon that is damning to T that involves money and it derails him even more. Money is his God. I wonder Allyn, IF some of the GOP senators were to not show up to the trial would they be able to convict with a certain majority?
I can't explain exactly why yet, but I do not see him getting off scott free again. ?
@allyn I've had a vision that I have posted here before but worded poorly and messy. I've been a bit beside myself this last year and I've had problems articulating myself. Trying again since I share your frustration.
Just like you, I was aking myself if this would ever end, if the trolls and bigots would ever pay for what they have been doing the last years. What I saw in my vision back then (3 years ago now) was that they would feel more and more emboldened, and that the election would have many attempts at fraud from their side. They would maybe attempt some sort of coup (poorly executed). When all that would fail they would get busy distancing themselves from T, as more and more horrible details of his misdeeds would surface. If the rest of my vision was right we'll see a steady flow of damning evidence of just how corrupt things have been the last years. Many will say "we didn't know" and try to wash their hands of guilt. I see one big event where they will get the chance to get on board again, but only by being open about their own corruption. Will they pay for it? Yes, but not in the way we expect. I didn't see the courts settling this. Something bigger.
If the rest of my vision was right we'll see a steady flow of damning evidence of just how corrupt things have been the last years....
...Will they pay for it? Yes, but not in the way we expect. I didn't see the courts settling this. Something bigger.
That's one reason IMO why Biden is the right man at the right time. He knows how things were when he left as VP 4 years ago. He knows all the people who know all the details. He can put people in place who can see what is amiss right when they settle into their jobs. No one else could put together an administration as capable at noticing the dirt and digging it up. I am not good at "visioning" but I see this is the way it is and had to be for right to prevail.
As far as "payment"-- your statement is intriguing. Do you have an ideas how the "payment" will come about? One thing that comes to my mind is revenge by larger criminal elements for whom they were working. (Or maybe I've seen too many gangster movies lately...)
As far as "payment"-- your statement is intriguing. Do you have an ideas how the "payment" will come about? One thing that comes to my mind is revenge by larger criminal elements for whom they were working. (Or maybe I've seen too many gangster movies lately...)
@ana I didn't see any details, just sensed a feeling of the events. I tried to find an analogy. Maybe try to imagine that we as a society is the Titanic and T and his minions have been trying to gain control over the ship for the last 4 years. They think they lost and they'll just go back to being first class passengers until the next opportunity for mutiny arises. But we'll hit an ice berg soon. The minions will promptly seize all the life boats for themselves. Their corruption and selfishness will be blatant and they won't even try to to hide or excuse it. When they are all in the life boats and pretty happy with themselves they'll realize the Titanic was fine the whole time. The rest of us sails on while they are left in the freezing Atlantic in open boats.
I hope that analogy makes sense. The main point I'm trying to make is that in my vision their punishment will be so damning and so severe that no court or outside person can decide it for them. Their ego and corrupt nature will choose their own fate for them.
Reading your post Lindsay Graham comes to mind. I never liked his politics, but I always thought he had some semblance of decency until he went completely off the deep end and became T.'s lapdog.
There is so much that so many are desperate to keep hidden.
@ana One more thing. By "somethig bigger" I meant something that will affect more people than politicians close to T. Like many people have pointed out there is a problem in this world that is not limited to T and the gop. The world is full of opportunists with short sighted goals and little regard for the suffering of others. You can have a trial for T but others will come and the cycle will continue and little change. There needs to be a bigger cleanup, and that is what I saw coming. Unfortunately I didn't see a timeframe. I didn't have any idea if it would happen tomorrow or in 100 years. The events this latest months have me thinking it will be soon though. Anyone else feel something coming towards the end of february?
@unkp, I deleted your post because it was too graphic for many readers, including me. Like you, when many empathic people get an image of that kind of violence in their minds, they can't erase it, and the horror is too much. They suffer a form of PTSDT just from watching.
Although I removed the post, I want to tell you how much I feel for you and anyone who takes in the horror of the Capitol Riot. So it is good you brought it up. If we are so disturbed by watching a video of that kind of rapid mob violence, imagine what it must have been like to be there. PDST lasts years and destroys lives.
Donald Trump has fomented mob frenzy, and that is an act of treachery we all need to appreciate. The perpetrators must be held accountable. These events must be stopped. So thank you for bringing it up, dear friend.
The wingnuts, unfortunately, were never going to disappear because T. lost. They've always been around, T. just gave them a louder voice and more visible face than they've had in years. Scarily, they've infiltrated high positions in govt., which was also always the case. They're just more brazen about it these days.
It's going to take a constant spotlight on the words and actions of people like MTG to eradicate it. This adorable little experiment in fascism we've just been through is over, but it isn't. As we've seen, and as you say, T. has plenty of ignorant minions happy to carry out his agenda.
I have a cake plate sitting in my kitchen that needs washing. The cake is gone, but the dried frosting and dried crumbs remain. It will take some scrubbing to come clean, but with the proper effort, it will. Eradicating societal problems will take a lifetime or more longer, and millions of decent people, but it's worth the effort.
Speaking of crumbs, the tidbits of wrongdoing that have come out in the media the last four years are nothing compared to what's coming. I've felt that for a long time. BS headlines like the NYT "Investigating DT, FBI sees no clear link to Russia." That was downright laughable.
I have a feeling that Lindsey Graham is going to talk himself into a situation that he won't be able to escape from.
This week, he is threatening Democrats against calling witnesses by saying "if you call witnesses, then I will call the FBI as witnesses."
Maybe Graham is stupid beyond belief (likely) or a Democratic spy (if only), but why in the world would anyone care if he calls the FBI as witnesses or not. We KNOW there was an intelligence breakdown on January 6 where threats to the capitol either didn't get delivered to the right people or were not taken seriously enough. We know that there will likely be congressional hearings about the security breakdown at the capitol.
So, how exactly is that suppose to hurt Democrats? Especially considering that Republicans have been in control of the White House and the leadership of the FBI and other intelligence offices for the last few years? Does Graham think that by calling the FBI, this will somehow help Trump?
Maybe it is a distraction tactic? Bring up the fact that one FBI agent plead guilty to falsifying evidence on a warrant during the investigation of Russian involvement in our election on 2016? But it isn't relevant to Trump's actions on January 6, so who cares?
Personally, I think Graham should be disqualified from being involved in the trial. After all, he also made various calls to voting officials in Arizona and Georgia (even though he doesn't represent either state), so he is basically a co-conspirator with Trump.
Also, would someone do another reading on the trial now that we know Trump's defense (basically claiming voter fraud again)? I am curious as to whether the country will make Republicans pay for betraying their country for this crazed egomaniac with daddy issues.
Graham is petrified. Question is of who or what.
I'm still not getting a clear read on the outcome. Part of the problem for me is the fact that this is all happening under a Merc retro, which tends to cloud things a lot. The trial begins on February 8 just as the retrograde conjunction happens, and the end of the retrograde has Mercury in trine to Orange's natal sun (a positive aspect indicating a possible outcome that would be favorable to *him*), so that could be a harbinger of acquittal, but it's still too murky to say.
I have read both the House Managers' well-crafted statement of the case - in which they debunk most of the right wing talking points - as well as the Orange One's typo-riddled restatement of the election fraud lies in his defense statement, and logically, this is a slam dunk against the Orange One. However, the cult of personality on the R side is still very strong, and since neither he nor the rest of the R's use logic and haven't for ages, that's probably not the best way to look at it.
I think the House Managers need to very strongly stress to all of the R's (and Manchin, who is a DINO) that their votes in this case will very plainly expose them politically. Their political futures will likely suffer regardless of which way they vote, but it would be better to come down on the side of democracy than fascism.
I also think this trial will expose a lot more than that. I would think that Lindsey Graham's "threat" of calling in the FBI as witnesses would likely be welcomed by the Managers. It could also introduce information that might implicate Mr. Graham and others, both in this case and in others in which investigations may not yet have begun or even been considered.
A few people on here saw Mr. Graham resigning under some kind of cloud or scandal after the election, and this could well be his Waterloo. As for The Orange....I have no idea.
I am very interested in how the repubs and t's lawyers are going to argue on one side that t is still president because of the fraudulent election and on the other side that t can't be tried because he is no longer president. I am more and more confident that the evidence to convict is going to be overwhelming so much so that at least 17 repubs will find it impossible to acquit. There are tens of thousands leaving their party with more to come if they continue to try to destroy our cherished Democracy.
For those interested, here's Teri Kanefield's very informative thread of a "Cliff's Notes" explanation of the House Managers' statement of the case:
https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1356629257334648832
@jeanne-mayell, i am so glad you deleted that post. I want to apologize to you, and everyone else for the violent imagery and ugly language. I violated my own guidelines about not posting anything while angry. Or drunk. And i was both. (Which is odd, because usually if i drink, i just get all goofy and dance-y, and become even more preposterous than usual). I also try not to use curse words too often- not out of any sense of prudishness, but because those kind of words can represent a failure of the creative imagination.
peace & love to you all
I wish I could be as confident as you, but I am a trial attorney and sadly many cases are not decided by the facts or the truth, but by the emotions, prejudices, and motivations of the people siting in judgment.
I agree with you that the proof will be overwhelming that Trump committed insurrection. However, the idea that at least 17 Republicans will have the moral fortitude to do the right thing is simply not possible. The Republican party is dead. Right now it is being run by a dictator, a bunch of domestic terrorists who (in my humble opinion) have no right to call themselves Americans, and many more cowards who prefer to stay in power over their duty to God and country. Yes, there are a few good moral people left, but they are not the ones calling the shots.
But maybe the country will be so sickened by Republicans' endorsement of domestic terrorism that they lose so badly in 2022 that they finally fall apart.
Sadly, I have been so traumatized by what Trump and the Republicans have put our country through over the last four years (and throughout the last few decades sense they pretended they were the "moral majority") that I don't think I can ever forgive them. How can one trust a group of people who have belittled you, called you names, harassed you, advocated for violence and death against you, and then tried to do that? I can never vote Republican again. How can I? And how can I forgive my Republican neighbors when they outright refuse to change or even acknowledge that what they did was wrong?
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You don't have to forgive them. That is what G-d and the angels are for...give them to G-d , and tend to your wounds. See them as sick and broken, as they certainly are. If you can muster the grace you can pray for them, but really, it's most important to pray for yourself. Feel better.
@allyn Although I have great respect for your courtroom experiences, I see things from a different perspective. I am convinced we have moved into a new era of change for the better. I have always believed that things would get worse before the end of the patriarchy happened which was evidenced by hitting rock bottom on Jan. 6. It was the last hurrah for that kind of hatred. There will be a few more bumps along the way but look at what is happening already with this inspiring new administration. I have chosen not to give power to the repubs anymore by giving them the benefit of my anger. I can only hope they see the light and joy in the world as those of us here do.
Allyn, I totally relate to your feelings. While I have decided to let go of some of my anger towards the rethugs (that was greatly helped along by the election of Biden) my feelings of disgust and disbelief at their continued party-over-country behavior, their treachery and hypocrisy is still strong. Navalny is headed to prison for another two years and is still speaking out, and our Senators are pissing their pants in fear.
Brighter times are ahead. Biden and Harris are in charge, they've assembled a kick-*ss administration, and from what I've seen so far, I badly underestimated Biden's ability to beat the rethugs at their own game. The truth will out.
I mentioned a few months back about losing a relationship I care deeply about. This person reached out to me, and as angry as I was, I decided to meet halfway because I didn't want the relationship to be yet another casualty of that evil person. I still have to stomp down my feelings of resentment sometimes, and my incredulousness that someone that smart could vote for that jack*ss, but so far, so good.
That is not to say it's blackberry shortcake time. They all need to be brought to justice and go to prison.