Am I to naive in thinking that the entire party can't possibly agree with this? Even though there are a few sycophants and people who are in it for themselves (most of them), a coup is a whole different ballgame. That means they are all OK with becoming the next Nazi Germany.
@moonbeam, unless I misunderstood what she was saying, that seemed to be Bitecofer's belief and who knows if she's right. I think she was sounding a big alarm for all of us. I don't believe it's the entire party but I think the danger is, if you want to win at any cost, then you can justify a lot. And then the unthinkable happens and you exclaim, but that wasn't my intention, I didn't mean for that to happen. Plus there's so much dark money that's behind this.
I still sense that in the end, we'll come out of this okay.
@deetoo, it is still hard to believe that there are so many people who could justify what they are doing with blinders on. My family was in the resistance in WWII. I know the stories first hand. All of this is a repeat of those days.
I choose to stay positive and hopeful though, for you, my fellow forum dwelling family, but also for the entire world on which the US has such an impact...
Take heart and keep hope alive that indeed you/us will come out of this okay. ❤️
Can we resist through prayer?
Oh, Sacred Divine of all that is, please bless this moment may it resound in all that is to bring peace, kindness, understanding, hope, compassion, love, generosity, and love to all beings. Please let this prayer send energetic healing to the birds, fish, four legged ones, and two legged ones. May you protect us from blame, hurt, fear, and lies. May all hearts in this place be filled with light to reveal truth and love.
@moonbeam The modern GOP is anti-democratic. They have been for years, but it's been incremental so hard to see them for what they are. If you look back at the 2000 election, come on. That was a stolen election, but was just so close between Bush and Gore that no one rioted in the streets, and no one wanted to see it for what it was. I think Americans are so convinced that we are the greatest democracy, that even when it's eroding right before our very eyes, we (or most) can't really believe what's happening. But happening it is.
I've said this before on this site, that since Reagan was elected I have had a bad feeling anytime any republican -- fed, state or local -- got themselves elected. It was a feeling that was disproportionate to the actual event, but the past four years have made me realize why I felt the way I did. We were sliding toward something really bad, just too slowly to see it in its entirety.
I hope we pull back from the abyss. I really, really hope so.
@firstcat, I felt chills as I read your beautiful prayer. Such divine power behind it. I will be saying it daily.
Thank you.
@lynnventura, I totally agree. The sad part is, even those Rs who are diligently working against the Orange One consider Reagan a saint. They won't consider the possibility that this is when our democratic erosion began.
Lately, I feel as we are going through the worst of the worst. However, doing some quick scans, I see Biden winning, but Trump won't transfer peacefully. I do not see him at the inauguration.
A positive take on the situation by esteemed journalist Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post who believes that Biden is actually doing quite well now and could do even better in the days to come...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/heres-why-bidens-lead-is-big-could-get-bigger/
I scratch my head at the journalists who earnestly ask T "whether he will respect the election results ?...and will he observe a peaceful transfer of power should he lose"? Of course he will demur and imply otherwise. It's like politely asking Mussolini the same thing. We all know T is a fascist wannabe. Truth is, once the votes are tallied and should he (God willing!) lose, he immediately becomes a civilian entitled to no special treatment. He cannot "squat" in the WH forever hiding from prosecution from that day forward.. I imagine something like the national Guard will be forced to decisively usher him out... boy, do I ever look forward to that day!
I imagine something like the national Guard will be forced to decisively usher him out... boy, do I ever look forward to that day!
The problem as I see it is that he's had four years to install loyalists at the head of every department, and essential departments like DOJ and DHS are utterly compromised. By the time November comes around, I have no doubt that even those Secret Service agents charged with protecting him will be diehard loyalists (if they aren't already). They won't let anyone near him who hasn't proven themselves "all in."
And as for the National Guard, that's a good question. As far as I know, only the governor of a state can deploy the Guard, and D.C. isn't a state. Would Jay Inslee do it? Perhaps. I don't have much hope for that, though: his term expires on January 21. That is quite the pickle.
I'm not sure *who* exactly would usher him out -- the problem as I see it is that there's no one left to do so.
Our only option is to vote in such large numbers so as to make stealing impossible. And if they still steal it, then mass mobilization will be necessary -- and shit will REALLY hit the fan then.
Much can happen between now and November, though -- as many have pointed out, everything is accelerating at such a pace it's hard to keep up -- but this is how I see things shaking out as of right now.
To end on a positive note: I do, however, have a feeling that voter turnout will be so exceptionally high he won't be able to contest the vote -- but he's certainly gonna try.
Just what I've been sensing, anyway.