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@laura-f

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@KB quite a day the old Moron is having!  I almost feel sorry for him but I don’t.  If the item about Jarod has legs that is one serious crime.  
@Jessi1978 don’t get me started on the coal companies better know in my state as the hillbilly mafia.  The mines are closed and the workers have next to nothing.  MoscowMitch made a big mistake when he blew off the miners who traveled to DC to talk to him.  His opponent Amy McGraff has jumped on that with two feet.  Their is a film posted on YouTube, I believe, about the water in that area.  It is beyond filthy.  The coal companies left behind a mess that will take decades to clean up.  It should be interesting to see how they vote in 2020.  



   
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Every day it gets harder and harder to accept how people can still support Trump. Its to the point now where it doesnt even matter if he is guilty of what he is being accused of or not. His defense to everything is "I am above the law and everyone around me is too." His lawyers, the justice dept, and the WH counsel have all filed some version of that statement as their defense in courts. How the hell is that a defense any lawyer could actually file? Even Roy Cohn is sitting up in his grave going "what the F---?" And if thats not enough, Yovanovich was told that if she wanted to save her career, she had to tweet nice things about Trump. ???

If I had watched this movie 10 years ago, Id have changed the channel 30 mins into it because its so detached from reality that it would irritate me. Now we are living it. 



   
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The people that accept Trump are really who they are at this point.  There may be a few stragglers, but, by-in-large, it seems that "his base" are now some form of extremist evangelicals that feel Trump is fufilling parts of the Bible (one state solution of Israel) and that he will bring the Rapture.

Funny thing is, they know that the rapture will bring all of the Good people to Heaven and the Bad People will be forced to stay on Earth and face the darkness.....and they think that THEY are the good people.  Imagine the shock when they find out they got it backwards.



   
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Schiff: Trump betrayed America. Soon the public will hear from patriots who defended it. 

The Ukraine call was one piece of a larger operation to redirect US foreign policy to benefit Trump’s personal interests, not the national interest.

What we have found, and what the American people will soon learn through the release of additional testimony transcripts and in public hearings, is that this is about more than just one call. From closed door interviews of current and former administration officials, text messages we have obtained, and public admissions by acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and President Trump himself, we now know that the call was just one piece of a larger operation to redirect our foreign policy to benefit Donald Trump’s personal and political interests, not the national interest.

For over a year, I resisted calls for an impeachment inquiry because impeachment was intended to be used only in extraordinary circumstances. But the Founders who devised our government understood that someday, a president might come to power who would fail to defend the Constitution or would sacrifice the country’s national security in favor of his own personal or political interests, and that Congress would need to consider such a remedy. 

Tragically, that time has come.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/05/impeachment-trump-redirected-foreign-policy-personal-benefit-column/4159426002/

I have a feeling that this is the beginning of the end for Trump and he knows it. Trump was able to get away with too much  for too long because the Republicans were able to hide his misdeeds but they screwed themselves now. They wanted the hearing to be public. This is going to be worst then the Mueller report. This is bigger. The Mueller report brought down some of his friends. I have a feeling that this is going to bring down the house!!! We will all see and hear the truth. They can’t do what they did to the Mueller report. They can’t blackout or   Writing a summary of it. 



   
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Re: SCOTUS

I think that Roberts will side with the letter of the law. I think even Gorsuch might. But Thomas and Justice Beer will not.

Re: Jared and the Saudis

The original source is not a reliable one, so hard to know how true it is. I think SOMEONE in the WH gave a green light to the Saudis, but something tells me it would be giving Jarvanka too much credit to think it's one of them.

Re: "the Base"

So UN-christian it's not even funny. I do agree that they see Trumpito as a necessary evil to bring about the long hoped for Rapture. Idiots. The Book of Revelations was meant to serve as a guide to "Do This, Don't Do That, and if you see That happening, stop it before it's too late." It was also a way of reinserting the vengeful god of the Old Testament into the New Testament. Kinda like when rappers quote old funk songs in their compositions. The idea of the Day of Judgment seems to have fallen out of favor, these humans are so self-righteous they think they would be fine, but many of us understand that it just means death for all, there is no rapture, no judgment, it's all a human invention to try to make sense out of a random universe. And while I have no issue with people using what I see as a crutch to lead kind lives, I have major issues with absolute extremist views that are essentially death cults.

Re: Unemployment

A little evil on my part but yeah, kinda hoping the economy tanks in 2020, as that will help a lot of scales fall from a lot of eyes.



   
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@laura-f, I read your post and then "coincidentally" found the attached had just arrived in my email:

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2019/10/06/when-fear-is-your-religion/

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2019/10/17/i-resist-because-im-a-christian/



   
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I brought this point up years ago. In their ideology, Trump is the antichrist and they are supporting him to fulfill God's will. Taking that as fact, the bible says that those who reject the antichrist and stay true to God will be saved in the rapture. By supporting Trump(the antichrist) they are condemning themselves to damnation and doing so in the name of God. This level of stupid is unfixable. 



   
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@laura-f

Regarding unemployment, i am hoping the economy/unemployment tanks as well. I will assuredly lose my business if it does to any large extent, but it is worth it to save the country and the world.



   
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Protesters in Washington. Outside the WH! Twitter pic from Acosta of CNN.

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Sondland changes testimony, acknowledges delivering quid pro quo message to Ukraine

Sondland provided additional testimony to House impeachment investigators this week that updates his deposition from last month.
 
WASHINGTON — U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland told House impeachment investigators this week that he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden, according to a person with knowledge of Sondland's testimony.
 
Sondland's latest testimony — stated in a three-page declaration to the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump — represents an update to the testimony he gave in October and contains significant new details. That includes a fuller accounting of the role he played in personally telling the Ukrainians they needed to cooperate with the demands of Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, if they wanted the aid money.
 
The timeline of events Sondland outlined in his opening statement in October largely absolved him of any wrongdoing or of having any foreknowledge of a scheme to use U.S. foreign policy to advance Trump’s political interests. That characterization, however, was at stark odds with both the testimony of other officials and with written records obtained by the House in its impeachment inquiry. His new testimony makes clear that he had been well aware that releasing foreign aid was conditional to Ukraine launching the desired investigations.
 

According to the new sworn declaration, Sondland told Congress that his memory was refreshed after reviewing the opening statements given to Congress by Bill Taylor, the acting ambassador to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a former adviser to Trump on Russian and European affairs.

Sondland said he also now remembered a Sept. 1 conversation with Andriy Yermak, a top Zelenskiy adviser, in Warsaw in which he told Yermak that "the resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks."

He also said that soon after, he "came to understand" the statement would have to come from Zelenskiy himself. He claimed he doesn't remember exactly how he learned this, but that he thought it may have come from Giuliani or Kurt Volker, then-U.S. special envoy to Ukraine who resigned after his name appeared in a whistleblower complaint about Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/sondland-changes-testimony-acknowledges-delivering-quid-pro-quo-message-ukraine-n1076736?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

 



   
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Federal prison sentences on perjury charges can still be one heck of a memory enhancer cant it? My guess is his lawyer told him "theres enough evidence here to sink Trump and if he did pardon Manafort, hes definitely not pardoning you"



   
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You know, people can be forgiven if they see some form of "contrition" on the part of the person who committed the crime.  By in large, we are a rather forgiving people.

I'm trying to download/read his transcript, but a bunch of people must be doing the same, because it isn't loading or I'm getting an error.

Was there any sign of contrition?  Any apology for lying and now coming clean? I bet his lawyer reamed him a new one.....now the question is, is this the WHOLE truth or part of the truth and a whole lot of ass covering?



   
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@mas1581

Yup I thought the same thing. All of a sudden he remembered.



   
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@codyroo

Ass covering for sure. He and his lawyer know someone is going down. I am sure they saw the writing on the wall. Does he want to go down for Trump? 



   
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Last night I heard someone speak on what goes on during the closed door hearings. The Republicans with the doors closed are complete and total wimps. They don't defend Trump, they don't ask hard questions, I guess they just talk tough in front of cameras.



   
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@Laura-f, I agree. The source is questionable. I brought up the tweet I did just so folks know that there is behind the scenes rumors that there is another quid pro quo that hasn't been outed yet, and supposedly it involves Jared. 

I don't get the evangelicals either. If they believe in the Bible so much, why would they support someone who ran a high priced escort service? Don't get me wrong, I go to church all the time, and it's not my place to judge. That's the thing about the internet (kind of like the text messages that are coming to light as well), once something is there, there's a record. The http://www.trumpescorts.com/travel-companions /" target="true">Wayback Machine archives didn't forget Mango's past. LOL 



   
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@suspira44

Thats the problem here. They all know what is going on and have consciously chosen their assumed chances of reelection over what they know is right. Maybe its just me, but in my view(aside from morals and being on the right side of history), everyone's term comes to an end and I would want to be respected after my career in Washington, and also get a job/book deal that would make me good money. There is a lot more money in the private sector, post DC, for those who stand up against Trump than for the dime a dozen cowards that follow in line. Those who separate themselves end up making a ton more money after the fact because people want to hear their story. Do they not see this?



   
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@mas1581

I'm interested that you say this because several pundits have said the same thing. They talk about how these people will be remembered and mention people like Joe McCarthy and what we think of him today. It's the opinion of these people that this is a consideration for a lot of Republicans. I don't know, but it's encouraging that you say the same thing.



   
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Look at the watergate players. Yea Liddy had his 15 mins, but he was one of the criminals and not a true politico. John Dean is all over cable news 45 years later. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein made their careers over it. If Mark Felt were still alive today, he would be very in demand as well. Just the fact that people vehemently chased his identity for almost 40 years shows clearly that we are fascinated with the good guys in the aftermath. Anonymous and "the whistleblower" are the new deepthroat. People will chase after their identity like they did Felt until its revealed and when it is, the money will come pouring in. The same goes for Vindeman, Yovanovitch, and Taylor thusfar. They arent doing it for the money, but it will come. The GOP sheep are choosing dollars and shame over hundreds and admiration. I just dont get it. 



   
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