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@lynnventura

It may be doable but the point is pay-as-you-go only comes up for spending on social programs. It started as a Republican talking point to block legislation, like Med4All. It never applies to the pentagon budget, much of which is classified so the public never knows what it's being spent on. My point here is that, from a progressive POV, Pelosi is a liability. 

It's the same kind of logic that says it's OK to spend $29 trillion on a bank bailout but

Recently, a pair of PhD students at the University of Missouri-Kansas City tried to assess the total size of the Fed’s commitments—not just loans made, but asset purchases as well. The bottom line: a Federal Reserve bailout commitment in excess of $29 trillion.  https://www.cnbc.com/id/45674390

....we can't spend $1.7 trillion to forgive student debt, which is a 21st C form of indentured servitude, a form of class oppression imposed by the banking system.

The future is progressive but not because political opinion has shifted or because Bernie/AOC won the argument. It's because policies like those that Pelosi supports are what got us in this mess in the first place. 

 



   
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@five81993

I don't agree with pay/go, and I know it's just a right wing talking point invented to squelch the progressive agenda, I was just trying to make the point that even with it everything we want to have as a society we can have right now. It takes the argument away from the other side, that's all.

I disagree about Pelosi being a liability. I think she operates more in the realm of the possible. Yes, the future is progressive, but that's if the youth get out and vote. Also, remember that the progressive youth we have now is a new thing. I was a young adult in the 80s and everyone I knew (but me) was all into Reagan's "revolution." Pelosi hasn't had the necessary constituency, but either way, were in agreement that progressive polices are the future. I've been waiting my whole life for them. :)



   
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I just saw the schedule of people to testify this week. John Bolton is scheduled for Thursday Nov. 7th,  Turning point?

I have my doubts that Bolton will actually appear on that day.  We'll see.  

However, Schiff is going to start releasing all of the transcripts from the witness depositions done so far to the public sometime this week.  That will be major in terms of public perception.  

Has anyone heard anything about when the public hearings will begin?  I'm assuming they'll be broadcast live.

 



   
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The whistleblower who filed the complaint that sparked the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump is willing to respond under oath to questions from Republicans with written answers.

The whistleblower’s attorney, Mark Zaid, said he reached out to Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, to offer to have his client respond to GOP questions “in writing, under oath & penalty of perjury.” 

Zaid said he and his client are ready to cooperate with Republicans and to “ensure facts ― rather than partisanship ― dictates any process involving the [whistleblower].”

 

The part I like of all of it is under oath & penalty of perjury. I can’t wait to see. I think this will backfire on them. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whistleblower-offers-written-testimony-republicans_n_5dbf0895e4b0fffdb0f88571

 



   
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@rosieheart

Those transcripts seem to be worse than the opening statements we have been given. Trump came out a few hours ago and said the GOP should release their own transcripts of the testimony because Shiff will manipuulate them. Obviously, thatcannot happen, as he has no control over them, but whatever was said has to more damning than we have been led to believe because that statement is over the top, even for Twitler.



   
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@lynnventura

Agree!  There are so many GOP who are caught up in this and are being blackmailed.  I've thought for a long time that most of them have just been paying lip service to the idea of democracy.  You can make a lot more money being a traitor.

I hope it all breaks soon.  Our country is being held hostage by these treasonous slimeballs.

 

 



   
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Trump again lost his appeals for turning over his taxes and of course his lawyers will appeal it to the Supreme Court

The three-judge panel wrote in their decision that "any presidential immunity from state criminal process does not extend to investigative steps like the grand jury subpoena at issue here," affirming the lower court's ruling on that question.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1076061



   
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Trump and his attorneys have 10 days to appeal to the Supreme Court.  He we go folks, in 2 weeks, they will appeal to the Supreme Court.....Our Nation of Laws will fall firmly in Chief Justice Roberts lap.  Will the vote go down partisan lines with Roberts making the final call? 

The intuitives say Roberts will side with the Constitution (and the left leaning justices).

How will his Free Will play out?



   
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Word just hit that Kushner gave the ok to Saudi Arabia to go after Jamal Kashoggi. If the report is true, Kushner signed off on the ordeal and that call was intercepted by Turkey. It was then used by Turkey to blackmail Trump and force him to remove the troops in Syria. Reports have it coming from other whistleblowers from intelligence community and that there were 7 whistleblowers in all-2 we know about with Ukraine, Vindeman and Morrison, who testified recently, and 3 others we dont know about but the House does. 



   
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@mas1581

Can you give us a link or a source on that? That would be really major if there was proof!



   
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The committees behind the House's impeachment inquiry released on Monday the first two transcripts from their closed-door depositions, making public transcripts from their interviews with former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and Michael McKinley, a former State Department adviser.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/04/politics/house-intelligence-committee-deposition/index.html?ofs=fbia



   
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Just noticed this article that unemployment may be climbing in swing states. Unemployment is one of the key factors that influences votes for or against the incumbent party. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/04/unemployment-is-climbing-key-swing-states-including-michigan-wisconsin/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1



   
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The original article on the Kushner story is from the American addition of The Spector, a UK weekly conservative bent newspaper owned by the same group as the Daily Telegraph. It appeared in the Cockburn section which is a political gossip column. 

I don't really know much about this paper, the US addition seems to have begun last year.  The British one has been around for over a century I believe.  

I don't know how accurate Cockburn has been in the past though the fact that it is a gossip column is worth considering I would  think.

But man, just the thought this might be true is absolutely chilling.  

https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/



   
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How about all the coal jobs that T was going to save. I guess not. 

America's largest private coal miner files for bankruptcy

The slow death of the American coal industry has forced Murray Energy, the largest private coal miner in the United States, to file for bankruptcy protection Tuesday.

President Donald Trump's election in 2016 had raised hopes in the coal industry for a revival. The president moved swiftly to slash environmental regulations and even installed a former coal lobbyist to lead the US Environmental Protection Agency. But the deregulatory push has been overwhelmed by market forces. Coal just can't compete with cheap natural gas and the plunging cost of solar, wind and other forms of renewable energy.

Mine workers stand to lose in the bankruptcy — not just in jobs but potentially in the erosion of healthcare and pension benefits. Murray Energy is the last major company contributing to the pension plan of the United Mine Workers of America. The pension plan's depleted funding will only get worse if Murray Energy is relieved of its pension requirements.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/29/business/murray-energy-bankruptcy/index.html



   
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I had seen the article this morning. It was interesting because one of the covert or 'alt' government worker Twitter accounts that I read mentioned it this morning. They noted that they didn't know the sourcing of the article, or how accurate it was, but they posted it to remind everyone they had heard in the rumor mill that there was another quid pro quo that would be exposed and it involved Jared. 

I think we're in for a world of unraveling that will be eye opening. I'm not sure how much will happen before he's out of office, and how much will be after. Only the tip of an iceberg is typically seen above the water line. As the Titanic showed us, what has yet to be uncovered is the more treacherous part. 

Edited to add: I love that E. Jean Carroll filed a lawsuit against Mango today. If he's going to spew trash about others, he should be held accountable. 



   
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@jeanne-mayell

I think the DNC in Milwaukee is a great move to try to expose Trump here in WI. He is still loved outside of Milwaukee, but the economy here is worse than it was in 2016 and that Foxconn debacle that Trump really hung his hat on is a dumpster fire that is screwing thousands of people on top of all WI taxpayers. The problem here is that with Evers as Governor and a GOP statre legislature, they are trying to blame it all on Walker being ousted.

 

Thanks guys for posting that link for me. Home with sicm kids today so havent had much time to myself today.



   
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This news just broke

Giuliani associate now willing to comply with Trump impeachment inquiry - lawyer

Lev Parnas, an indicted Ukrainian-American businessman who has ties to President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is now prepared to comply with requests for records and testimony from congressional impeachment investigators, his lawyer told Reuters on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-parnas-exclusiv/exclusive-giuliani-associate-now-willing-to-comply-with-trump-impeachment-inquiry-lawyer-idUSKBN1XE297?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&__twitter_impression=true



   
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Big wow about the possible Kushner-Erdogan-Trump-Syria connection.  Thank you @Lovendures and @Jessi1978 for posting links to relevant articles and to @MAS1581, @Cindy and all for educating me.  I hadn't heard about this very juicy and very game-changing deal until now.  A detail that makes the scenario very plausible is how instantly trump responded to Erdogan's demand and why, for sure, no one else was involved.  One of my fave YouTube psychics said she "saw" Erdogan yelling at trump over the phone and verbally beating him up about something.  This fits with her vision.

Previously, I personally thought trump's Syria withdrawal was either about money being paid to trump under the table, or a multi-million dollar reduction in the massive debts he owes to godknowswho, or about a promise that Putin extracted from him.  In any case and for whatever reason, now most world leaders know how easily trump can be bribed, bought or otherwise persuaded with compromat.

Situation unraveling, indeed. 

PS to @Cindy, I love the E Jean Carroll lawsuit too.  Especially the perfect timing of it. 

And one more thing.  I think I posted this before about a Vedic astrologer named Gurmat Singh who calculated that November 4th (which is today) would be the exact day that trump's luck starts running out, and it does not return.  I'm not an astrologer, but Singh's calculation has something to do with Jupiter's protective influence leaving trump's chart.  Note all that's coming down on trump today:  the Kushner-Erdogan-Syria story, trump's pending tax release, a rape-related lawsuit, the distribution of transcripts from impeachment hearings, problems with the coal miners, conversations around trump being boo-ed in public places...You get the idea.  Singh predicts it gets worse and worse for trump from here on.    



   
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Posted by: @rosieheart

This news just broke

Giuliani associate now willing to comply with Trump impeachment inquiry - lawyer

Lev Parnas, an indicted Ukrainian-American businessman who has ties to President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is now prepared to comply with requests for records and testimony from congressional impeachment investigators, his lawyer told Reuters on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-parnas-exclusiv/exclusive-giuliani-associate-now-willing-to-comply-with-trump-impeachment-inquiry-lawyer-idUSKBN1XE297?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&__twitter_impression=true

BEEP BEEP!

What's that? Oh, just the sound of the bus that ALL the criminals are throwing Rudy under!



   
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