@Lawrence - I always look forward to feeling a bit lighter ? and have already prepared my snacks and libations for the televised hearings this week! May it be a good week for the truth and the light to shine through!
Yes! That's my feeling! Expect the unexpected. I think this week will be devastating for T.
Things will start moving forwards again in general.
May have a Walgreens commercial I filmed hit the air this week or next. Hoping it happens!
All: So, if she actually did win, (minus the steal /cheating) then I wonder if there is ever any evidence that she was the real POTUS, thus making DJT illegitimate, could that change who is standing at the podium in 2021?
I think the answer is no. Clinton didn't win the presidency in any way that could resurrect her. It's true that she got the popular vote by 3 million, even with massive voter suppression and fixed redistricting to minimize blue votes. But then Trump won the Electoral College votes decides the presidency in the United States. There is some possibility that he got the popular votes in the swing states, and thus the critical Electoral College votes, because of Russian and/or Cambridge Analytics-Type social media bots that targeted the persuadable voters. But those persuadable voters then went out and voted for Trump. If there was hacking and the results were false, it still doesn't change who is the real president. Jill Stein raised millions of dollars for a recount in the swing states, but was refused by those Republican controlled election boards. Then on December 17, 2016 the Electoral College elected Donald Trump. The Electoral College elected GW Bush too even with dubious vote counting in Florida. Hillary Clinton never became president so she cannot ever be the real POTUS for 2017-2020. This is my recollection. I am not a legal scholar about this nor do I have any news sources. But I think it's correct.
If someone knows differently, then please let us know with links to legal statutes or a credible news source.
I'm not a real lawyer, but I play one in my dreams. LOL I don't have the time to go do a major search, but when I researched it way back when, what I found was that there is no legal recourse here once the Electoral College votes, even if it is proven later that ballots were changed. It's not like a baseball game where a group of umpires or league officials can boot players or teams out of contention (like Eight Men Out), or strip them of a title. There's no law that notes anything that could call an election null and void on a nationwide scale if I recall correctly. This article sort of summarizes it. Once in office, the way to get rid of the office holder is to impeach or remove via the 25th Amendment.
At the point I heard spirit say Hillary is President, the Electoral College hadn't voted and ratified the general election. So he'll go down in history as President, however if they quantify the Russian interference, or find evidence of ballot tampering, etc., his name will have an asterisk behind it noting he was technically illegitimate. It's one of the reasons I've been saying all along that this whole mess will result in laws and procedures that will change things so loopholes like this are closed, and the country will have recourse should anyone ever attempt such things again.
On a side note, the twitter feeds I read have noted that Rumpus didn't leave the residence today. All briefings, etc. were not held in the West Wing.
But it was just a routine physical.
And I love that they're going to dig back into the Mueller report, and whether Drumpft lied.
@cindy Thanks for helping me understand. I thought someone was hinting that Hillary could somehow be resurrected as president. I doubt it will make a difference in how the next election is conducted but this situation I pray will be fixed down the road.
I am now very concerned about the SCOTUS's decision to hold up the release of Donald Trump's tax returns. I strongly suspect that the members of SCOTUS are acting as blatant political partisans who will gladly participate in Trump's efforts to cover up horrible crimes to help keep the GOP in power. I'm sure that millions of others are going to see this as SCOTUS colluding with the immoral hardened criminal in the White House. I suspect that the tax returns that are being withheld will include evidence of crimes that the public doesn't know even exist as well as the ones people have heard about.
SCOTUS Is a right wing court. It’s sad but true. The GOP finagled the appointments. But the justices don’t want to go down into history as having desecrated the Supreme Court. So there is hope.
I read on George Conway's Twitter feed that what SCOTUS did today was an administrative move that's pretty routine. It just holds up release to give them time to review the request, and their decision should come out later this week. So for now there's still hope they'll pass on taking the case.
Rump's camp filed for a stay. The SCOTUS issued a temporary stay because of this motion. The House has till the 21st to file a brief contesting the stay request. Then the SCOTUS will vote on whether or not to grant the stay. Rump needs 5 of 9 votes to get the stay. If he doesn't get the 5 votes, the House gets the returns. If SCOTUS grants *that* stay, Rump will get time to file a Writ of Certiorari (appeal request) to SCOTUS and, in the meantime, the tax returns won’t be released until SCOTUS decides whether to grant cert. Trump needs 4 Justices to vote to grant cert or, it's game over. If Cert is granted, that means SCOTUS will take the case and hear arguments from the parties on the merits of the case. Trump will need five Justices to vote in his favor on the merits, or it’s curtains for Rump. So basically, Rump needs to win all three rounds (stay, cert, and merits) to keep them hidden. The House needs to only prevail in any one of these instances. Rump has a decent chance of getting the first two, but the merits from what I'm reading will be difficult if they make it that far. So, don't sweat it just yet.
I was adding an important point to my last post when I got interrupted and 90 minutes went by. I was wanting to add that there is hope because the justices don’t want to go down in history as having demeaned the court. Chief Justice Roberts has shown that he is concerned about the court's reputation. It's a conservative court but not rogue. And I think Trump’s taxes are going to get released.