Kicking this now that the long-anticipated report has been submitted to Barr.
Does anyone have any updated predictions or thoughts? The wait is agonizing!
I just happened to see the president on tv (with the sound muted) at his Florida club and I sensed an overwhelming feeling of panic - almost to the point of tasting bile. I had to stop watching at that point. It would not surprise me if he does more outlandish things to distract from the report. I definitely think that we reached some kind of milestone today - as was predicted by some for March. I’d be interested also to hear what others are sensing.
I read a Justice department official said Mueller has no further indictments in the investigation
I think that simply means that OSC will not be issuing any "further" indictments because they are 1) already indicted under seal and have been for a long time, and/or because the indictments will be coming from other places, like SDNY.
I knew he passed some stuff off to other departments but wouldnt the indictments under seal have been released with the report?
No. The indictments are separate and can be released anytime based on what the prosecutors in all the different departments are doing. I'm not a lawyer and don't know all the legalese of it, but it's my understanding, from what I've read and studied, that Mueller and team farmed out a lot to various people and places. This thing has a lot of tenacles. It will be interesting to watch it all unfold.
I am very concerned. The right are going wild celebrating on social media. Will Trump ever go away?
The prediction I made about Trump and Mueller back at the end of December I feel still holds. It's in the YouTube that I posted on the Prediction page in the left sidebar (title: Jeanne Mayell 2019 Predictions). The part about Mueller and Trump's longevity begins around minute 4.44.
The bottom line is that I’d seen an impediment to Mueller’s investigation although I didn't know what it was, but that nevertheless the truth comes out for everyone to see. This moment in time is probably that impediment but it’s temporary.
I also saw at the time that the information and investigation, like Polarberry said, has many tentacles and is spread all over the place, both in other jurisdictions and in the FBI. It will take time to come out.
The fact that the Right is celebrating reminds me of Bush and Cheney standing on that air craft carrier after the initial U.S. invasion of Iraq, declaring victory. It's not over yet. And they lost in the end.
Meanwhile I felt the president remains in office through the latter part of 2020. I did not feel there'd be an impeachment because what is the point of impeaching him if the Senate won't remove him from office? I felt that he will not be in danger until there is a blue wave in both houses.
Glad you found that vision, polarberry.
I woke up this morning feeling that again the celebration of the Right that Trump has won is foolhardy and shallow just like bush and Cheney’s ironic celebration of winning the Iraq war a month after the invasion.
Justice takes time especially when it has been controlled by a GOP controlled government and involves a sitting president.
I drifted off last night reminded that Trump is terrified of getting caught and has been all along. He knows he is guilty and it’s only a matter of time before it all comes to light. He keeps hoping he can escape prosecution by swaying public opinion.
But it won’t work in New York where the courts are going after him for crimes committed in their jurisdiction.
I was not disappointed yesterday although it was very anti climactic. I take the long view. I know that Justice will prevail. Trump will be exposed and pay for his crimes. In his heart he knows it and his family knows it. We will get to see the Mueller report. And New York will take the investigation the whole distance.
When I read Thump himself, I sense he feels he has to stay in office to avoid prosecution. This is why he keeps rallying his base. He’s got it in his mind that if he just stays in office he and his family will be safe. But that can’t and won’t happen in this country.
As my mother always says, "From your mouth to G-d's ears.
For myself I can only say what my body is picking up. A smaller knot in the stomach and a slowing pulse tell me we are not out of the woods just yet. I sense a big shock coming...as if Trump was in on the Khasougie killing, perhaps not that , but something of that magnitude. The whole world appears to be in denial, focusing on minimizing each step of this process. It has been curious to observe the one sided narrative of speculation about this report and the perseverating paranoia that Barr won't release it. Occasionally Trump nominees are actually fit for their jobs. This one is. I have NO DOUBT we will see the results. We've seen many pieces. Puzzle is complete and the picture is a nightmare landscape. I see apocalyptic visions of decay and debauchery, rusted gold artifacts, broken, dustbin of history being swept away by a broom made of the sea and handle of the sky.
Now the vision is of a cleaner, landscape of nature. It's not bright light yet, but it is lighter.
I feel strongly we will save this Earth. I also feel children will lead the way and women. Persephone is making her way back Jeanne.
Ghandigirl I got chills as I read your post. I know you are right.
One more thing last night there was a rare geostorm over the earth which gave people in the northern US and Canada a chance to see the light of the Aurora shining over our world. It was cloudy in the Northeast so we didn’t see it here but We knew it was there—light shining. The issuing of the Mueller Report is another geostorm. We all know the truth but it will take time for the clouds to lift.
This article explains what is likely to be in the Meuller Report https://apps.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/graphics/2019/03/mueller-report/?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
That gave me a chuckle, ghandigirl. My mother always said that too and I almost typed those exact words.
The sh*t has barely begun to hit the fan. I think people are going to be shocked beyond what anyone can comprehend right now. Occasionally I get an extremely strong wash of feelings about a situation and I had one today about indictments, perhaps influenced by what former prosecutors are saying. I think there will be quite a few.
Hi All,
i just read the letter that AG Barr released summarizing the Mueller report for congress. I have to say that I felt disappointed when I read it but have a gut feeling that there is more to it than what he said. He worded it very carefully and it seemed quite partisan. To actually know what happened, we will only know when the actual report becomes public (fingers crossed). In the meantime, I expect a lot of chest beating amongst the politicians on the right.
I decided to pull a card for Mueller, Barr and Rosenstein and got the following:
Mueller: King of Swords reversed (a powerful man, part of the establishment)
Barr: Ten of Swords reversed (an inevitable ending to a situation?)
Rosenstein: Page of Swords reversed (manipulation?)
I thought it was notable that all 3 cards drawn were reversed Swords. Does anyone else have a take on this?
I don't have an intuitive take on it other than being horribly, horribly disappointed. It feels like whatever safeguards our democracy had, failed. Trump will get away with everything and that will just embolden him and future despots. I honestly feel as depressed and despondent of our future as I ever have in my life. It's just the worse possible outcome. Yes, the dems can fight to get the whole report, but Trump now has more power than ever and who's to say it will ever see the light of day? Even if it does, anything negative in it will be whitewashed over my the general conclusion that Muller could not charge Trump or ANY of his family with anything. I hope you all see more hope than I do.
JHolme I feel the same as you. I believe we are at the beginning of a very, very low period which will not end for at least another decade. Trump will use this to be reelected and then proceed to distroy what is left of our democracy. His supporter are already saying they are OK with a dictatorship as long as Trump is at its head. I believe this is the beginning of a true dictatorship in the US. Trump will use this to get absolute power with the support of the Reps who were waiting for this report. They will now all go full Trump and the people,like us, are screwed. I am absolutely sick to my stomach. So depressed and disappointed.
Yogagirl -- yes, exactly how I feel.
I'm so confused. What about all the FBI/Intelligence people who are supposed to be so strong and brilliant, Muller included, who would bring Trump down? Apparently not. Yes, this outcome will shore him up to an unimpenatrable state, I'm afraid. And they will steal the next election too. How can a the US allow a foreign power to steal our democratic process like this? It seems like a clear act of war to me.
Honestly, I don't know how we can recover. Maybe if the votes for dems are hugely overwhelming in 2020 they can overcome even Russian interference. But with all I read about voting machines, etc., I'm afraid.
I remember reading Baba Vanga's prophecies that Obama would be the last US president and feeling like it couldn't possible be true. But, unfortunately, now I can see it. With climate change worsening, we may enter a perpetual crisis state and whatever window we had to get rid of this authoritarian threat will have closed.
Sorry to be such a Debbie Downer, but this is a hard day.
If there is no collusion , why did so many people around trump plead guilty? Why did so many lie? And why are Cohen and Flynn getting reduced sentences for
cooperating? Cooperating with saying there was no collusion? That makes absolutely no sense.
Anita
Like you, JHolmes and Baba, the Barr letter to Congress is terribly disappointing and will lead to endless gloating from Trump and his die hard supporters. It's absolutely nauseating. Barr is highly partisan and is serving Trump and the Republican Party and he's trying to balance pleasing Trump with a report with barest conclusions without supporting evidence. However, I am intrigued by the lack of information about Mueller's 600+ page report, the lack of information that would tie together the connections between all the Mueller indictments, and lack of information about the cases farmed out to state attorneys across the country. There's not even an explanation for Manafort's activities like passing information to the Russians, all the lies about the Trump Tower meeting with Russians, Kushner's attempts to establish back channel communications with the Kremlin, etc.
Like you, Baba, I threw three cards on Mueller, Barr, and Rosenstein. For Mueller, I threw the High Priestess. He has all the knowledge about the investigation, but remains silent and mysterious like the high priestess. My read is that he knows intuitively that Barr's report will not satisfy the Democrats in the House. A process will unfold with summons to Barr, et. al. to testify. Ultimately, Mueller may be summoned to testify himself and he will reveal everything he can legally reveal. I think Mueller is caught in a hard place, knowing what he knows, what he suspects and the lack of evidence to prove it without a shadow of a doubt. However, in looking at the Priestess card again, my eyes are drawn to her outspread arms and the enormous net that envelopes nearly 2/3rds of the card. Mueller has cast his net far and wide. Remember the Mueller report was required to address Russian interference in our election, possible collusion and obstruction of justice. Whatever other crimes Mueller discovered along the way have gone out to other jurisdictions for prosecution.
For Barr, I threw the Five of Disks, Worry. He worries about what will ultimately be revealed about the Mueller report and how his brief summary will hold up against the details. In his card, I see the machinations of politics, the grinding gears of legal maneuvering as the process to reveal the truth about the Mueller report moves ahead. He served his president, but did he serve his country? He will not sleep well in the months ahead.
For Rosenstein, I threw the Ten of Cups, Satiety. He is relieved that the Mueller investigation was able to come to a close. I think, though, that there were impediments placed in Mueller's way. Whether these impediments were placed by Rosenstein or Whittaker, I don't know. I think Mueller had to stop the investigation now because of those impediments.
It will be very interesting to see how the SDNY and other judicial districts move ahead with their cases now. Don't despair.