Yogagirl, did you read where Rusal is investing 200 million in Kentucky for an aluminum mill? The company is partially owned by Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch with close ties to Putin. Sanctions were quietly, quickly and conveniently lifted on the company.
It's all about money, all of it. The lies, treason, stonewalling, cover-ups-they're all in bed with Russia for profit. They sold this country for profit.
I apologize that I missed last night as well; I had to go out. I hope to make it up tonight. I am going through the monthly predictions and making a list of all predictions that relate to the downfall of mango, and Jeanne, with your permission, I will post them here for quick reference, meditation and light surround.
Yogagirl, I love your alliteration - the Mango Moron and his Minions! Very nice! I once called a Kentucky rep, can't remember his name, to tell him a piece of my mind and ended out getting the worst most annoying Thuglican propaganda for months until I finally had to call back twice to get them to stop sending it.
SO sorry you had to experience that Jeanne. Welcome to Kentucky. What is most fearful is the amount of money that the Republicans are raising. Unfortunately a large part of Kentucky is very rural and very, very poor. They are Christians and all a candidate has to do is say Praise Jesus the Dems are devils and they beleive it. They are the ones who have elected McConnell all these many years. The Democarts and indepenents in Kentucky are working long and hard to get our message out. We have two strong candidates for Governor but so far none for Mitch's seat. Heck the SOB will be over ninety years old in 2026 or when ever his next term would expire. He is a vile hateful man. He is still using the hate Obama card in his latest campaign ads FGS!.
I just read something aweful and shocking onFacebook. I am taking it with a grain of salt since I can't say for sure it is from a credible source, but.... I know it probably doesn't belong on this thread but I wasn't sure where to put it. Hopefully someone can move it to the right place. There is a group of Armed white naionalist militias now coordinating with the US border control to arrest asylum seekers in New Mexico. These guys came from all over the US to help halt the invasion for Trump. They claim they represent the true constituton of the US. The BP acqknowledges that they are not sanctioned but will not give them a stand down order. The Governor of NM releasted a statement saying these people donot belong there but will not call for them to be arrested for interference. When I read this my blood ran cold. They want to build watch towers and pick off immigrents before they cross into the US. If they do kill someone do you think MM will pardon them and praise them forbeing great americans?
What I find so incredibly upsetting is that so many Americans just skim the news and once they saw Barr's initial summation, just assumed the whole thing had been hooey and have now tuned out. That is what they wanted. Barr delivered. I don't know why any of us thought he'd be impartial, he was brought back from retirement just to deliver on this.
This whole thing is impacting the lives of many of us. I have a fifty year friend who I blocked for calling me this week. All he does is pick fights over Trump. The final straw for me was his telling me people in the news media need to be killed to shut them up. I just cannot get past that. He's gone. At my age you don't toss out friends easily. He's just into the Trump cult and has lost his reason.
I am grateful for this forum.
I believe that the Dems in Congress should go after the truth. I know that some Dems are concerned about the 2020 election and don’t want to overplay their hand, but it is their duty to investigate this stuff. But I want them to do their investigations in a strategic, honest, and thoughtful way. If their search for the truth comes out of vengeance, then it won’t work in the end. Ultimately, they need to be the light that will shine truth on the darkness, for all of us to see (maybe with a little help from the leakers!).
Right now I think the biggest thing that will change most people’s minds about going after Mango et al. is if the economy crashes. I don’t like saying that, and certainly don’t want to see it happen. Congressman Tim Ryan is campaigning in Iowa and was asked this morning whether the people there were commenting on the M. Report. He said that unfortunately it didn’t come up at all until the very end of his stay, almost as an afterthought. Ryan said the people were focused on being able to provide for their kids, being paid more or finding better employment, saving for the future, healthcare – meeting their basic needs and also giving their children a better life than what they’ve had.
Now if the Dems can convince the general public that Mango is a fraud, that he and his minions don’t give a damn about them, that they only care about enriching themselves (and proving that with reliable information regarding Mango’s crooked deals), and that two sets of rules are still operating in this country – one for Mango et al., and another for the rest of us suckers – if the Dems can sell that message, then perhaps we won’t have to wait until the economy tanks or we have a major security threat on our hands.
I really don’t want us to have to learn the hard way. But learn, we will. What’s that saying? “The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable"? So I’m going to suck it up, try to stay strong, spread some kindness each day, and focus on what is just and true. We will get through this together.
deetoo, while I do think there will be a downturn in the economy for a variety of reasons, I think Rumpelstiltskin's time is nearly up because his finances and dirty deals will bring him down. His father was crooked and was eventually barred from doing any further real estate deals or development in NY. Rumpel was raised the same way he raised his kids-dirty dealing is the only way to go. He isn't self made, his company was formed to take daddy's place when daddy was sidelined by the law. Rumple is not self made as he claims-he lost tons, and eventually got the bulk of his wealth from his inheritance when his father died.
He brought in a ringer to the DOJ to try and get himself off. It will only delay the inevitable. The Mueller report didn't trace the source of all his money. I'm not sure how much of that may be in the 12 still redacted outsourced ongoing cases. Grand Juries are still seated, have had extensions granted, etc. The fat lady did not sing yet.
Within days of the election, when asked by a co-worker what I thought, I told him I believed the election wasn't valid, that the Russians had much to do with it, and that this was about a business deal. I figured Roseneft (Russian oil) since it was mentioned in the dossier and Rumple was looking at Tillerson (someone he didn't know) for Sec. of State. I figured he wanted an oil man in the post so that when he got around to lifting sanctions and talking with the Russians, he'd have someone on board for oil deals. I had names of contacts with the Russians like Stone and Manafort. At that point in time, no one gave serious thought to the Russians or the dossier. When I had read the story on the server in the Tower pinging a Russian server, all sorts of bells and whistles had gone off for me. I think my co-worker thought I was crazy. He's a liberal, but he still thought I was into conspiracy theories (and I have great dislike and distrust of them). Somewhere in the archives here I had posted about a dream where I was told by spirit that Hillary was the true President just days after the election. It stuck with me and I trusted my instincts to guide my research-which is what I was spouting to my co-worker when he asked my take on the whole situation. Months later I even had a vision of Rumpelstiltskin in prison attire which I shared here as well. Kind of like the outfit that his Press Secretary had on while doing her denial tour in the last two days-but his stripes were vertical instead of horizontal. ;)
I had told my son that Rumpelstiltskin wouldn't make it a year. I figured he'd be out on his ear. Little did I know the time frame was for the start of investigations. I still think his time is just about up. The quicker they get his financial information and start following the money trail, the quicker he'll be gone. The quicker he's gone, the less impact it will have on the economy. We'll still see a slump of sorts, since it's cyclic. But the quicker his particular brand of chaos is put on ice, the less steep it will be.
Cindy, love the “Rumpelstiltskin” … people here are so creative with the names.
I pray that you’re right about Rumpel being ousted sooner rather than later. I had some similar impressions about the ending of his presidency, but I’m not great with predicting the timing of things.
About 25 years ago I used to frequently visit a friend in NYC. That’s when I really learned about Rumpel’s shenanigans. Being a New Yorker, she shared the real story about him. Up until that time I thought he was an egotistical showman, but I was actually impressed with how he managed to get quickly back on his feet after a couple of bankruptcies. I learned from her how he was a bad businessman, stiffed so many people, discriminated against African Americans, tied people up with lawsuits, etc. – and eventually no bank would loan him money.
So whenever I would hear that some people voted for him because of his business expertise – well, I could understand some of that, since there was a time when I wasn’t informed enough about Rumpel and was taken in by his self-proclaimed, business acumen. (Plus a lot of people who voted for him were also watching The Apprentice, so they felt like they already knew him.) I do believe that even if I were still that uninformed woman from 25 years ago, I wouldn’t have voted for Rumpel because of his misogynistic, racist, and xenophobic behavior. But I’ve painfully learned that there are people who can overlook that. An example is a female friend of mine who voted for Rumpel because she perceived him as being strong on security. When I asked her about his abhorrent behavior towards women, my friend replied, “well, John [her husband] talks that way.” That broke my heart.
Anyway, I think that it may take some time for more of the general public to come around, which might directly affect what some in Congress end up deciding to do about Rumpel. That’s why I’m thinking that a changing economy would make the difference. I don’t believe that the Dems alone will be able to do it. You mentioned the 12 outsourced criminal cases, which does give me hope. I agree with you that it’s not over.
And I love your vision of Rumpelstiltskin in prison attire!
Since we all have to remembee to laugh these days, Id just like to add a few more of his nicknames Ive heard over the past 2 years.
Oompa loompa
Circus peanut
The Clockwork Orange
Shooter McGavin(when he decided he could take out an active shooter)
Orange Julius Caesar
President inmate 48203
Agent Orange
Sgt Bone Spur
Wizard of Id
Manchurian Candidate
MAS1581, thanks for making me laugh! Here are a few more:
The Tazmanian Devil
Jimmy the Cheese
Donny Shortfingers
The Rat Pack (his enforcers and enablers)
Baby Herman (from Roger Rabbit movie)
Jessica Rabbit (T’s daughter: “I’m not bad. I’m just drawn that way.”)
Toontown (the current WH)
Tweedledum and Tweedledee (his sons)
MAS1581, won't it be fun on the day when his color changes? No longer orange, he'll have to say "i'm peach." ? What can I say, I was a single mom too long-I had to learn to love and do dad jokes.
deetoo, Rumpelstiltskin just seems fitting. Besides the similarities of the names, the character forced another into spinning straw into gold for him. For Rumpel, once folks learned his name and who he was, he was vanquished as well.
I don't know if Rumpel will go to jail, tho I'd love to believe he will. Agnew was a crook like Nixon, and he was removed before Nixon was. Congress cut a deal with Nixon about Agnew's replacement, and Nixon's exit. That could very well be the case here. Rumpel will try to make a deal to leave if they promise not to send him to jail. I hope Congress won't do that. He's a lame duck now, so he can't do much. I'd love for him to try to cut a deal, be told he doesn't understand the art of the deal, and then to be told "you're fired." No get out of jail free card for him. I wouldn't mind watching Boardwalk and Park Place being repossessed as well.
I understand the thinking that if they impeach and then jail Rumpel, there could be violence and such caused by his base which could be avoided by cutting a deal to have him resign. Unfortunately as we've seen with Nixon, this sends the wrong message. When you look at all the Presidents from Nixon's time to today, every Republican had scandals that bordered on illegal, save for Ford. They chose Ford because he was decent and needed someone the opposite of the crooks that were being ousted. Reagan, Bush Sr. & Jr. have long lists of scandals, from Iran Contra, to millions of missing emails and violating the Presidential Records Preservation act and the Hatch Act, among so many other shady dealings. Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual affair. Carter and Obama had no major scandals personally, tho there were a few members of their administrations who were asked to resign for unsavory or sub-par performances. When you look at compiled lists for each administration, the pattern is clear. Republicans are more frequently breaking or skirting the laws. They have been becoming more and more self serving instead of looking at their positions as being 'of service' to the country. Their goal is to stay in power, even if they have to do subversive things to achieve that goal.
It will be painful to have to go thru an impeachment and the incarceration of those who have done wrong, but it is necessary. If others act out in response, they too need to face appropriate consequences. So, yes, I'd like the vision I had to be literal. As it stands now, I know that I was being shown that Rumpel is a crook. The Mueller report showed me that as fact, not just speculation or intuition. I had previously already thought that of the man where his personal business dealings were concerned.
I don't think like a Rumpel supporter, so I don't totally understand why they can be supportive sometimes. I know that most are actually good people. Flawed, like the rest of us, obviously misguided sometimes, but good. I've heard some who don't know any better who believe that he's a good self-made man. I heard one barber cutting my father's hair saying that he hated the things Rumpel says, but he'd overlook it as long as he kept improving the country and economy. He's only ridden on the wave that Obama created. Now that his policies are starting to take effect, things are slowing down. People are just now finding out that their tax cuts weren't getting them larger refunds or reduced taxes-they went to the rich. Some still hold on to toxic masculinity as just the way men are, so they brush it off. Some are brainwashed from watching Faux News and not understanding that it is more opinion driven by ratings than news driven by truth.
I read an interesting article several years ago about the differences in the brains of liberals and conservatives : Psychology Today article. Conservative's brains are built differently than that of the liberal. They are more fearful and anxious. They can't deal with change. Our society is changing. They can't handle that. They need it to remain where it was to feel comfortable or safe. More and more the psychology of our political divide is being studied : Business Insider, Scientific American.
I think it's why things like Jeanne's Full Moon meditation are helpful. Such energy helps soothe those who normally don't feel it. For example crowds gathered at Notre Dame as it burned and they started singing hymns. People like me sent light and asked the angels to help cool the environment and extinguish the flames, and it happened. The fire was extinguished and there was much less loss than initially anticipated. Those who live as fear based were anxious about the outcome. Those who have faith did what they could to help-even if it was only meditating or singing. Those of us who have faith will see our contribution. Those who live in fear are still pondering the what if worst case scenarios.
Our younger generation is being raised to hope for change. Women are rising up and challenging the status quo. The oppressed (LGBTQ, minorities, women, oppressed religions, etc.) are finding their voices. It will trigger fear in those who can't handle change. Instead of thinking there's enough on the Earth for us all, they fear that someone will be taking part of what little they already have. Instead of seeing that they have struggles because of others being greedy, they'll try to emulate the greedy to ease their fears.
But trust me when I say that while it's painful to undergo change and loss, we can come out the other side. The changes we hope for will happen, the length of time it takes to get there is the variable. The more we make conservatives fearful, the longer it will take as they fight the changes with greater vigor. Think of teaching your child to ride a bike. Fear of the unknown, failure and injury at the start, followed by the joy of accomplishment, balance, freedom and mobility in the end. The same principles apply.
Other than family (and then only when provoked) and with friends I know are like-minded, I don't discuss politics with others. I let who I am shine through. When asked by those who don't realize my leanings if I voted for someone, or supported a ballot measure, I give short answers-yes or no (or an occasional "wouldn't you like to know" if the situation warrants it). Conservatives are often shocked at my answers, but I don't engage. They can see me for who they've come to know, or they can judge me-that's their Karma, not mine. Some will realize that good people come from both sides of the isle. Other's won't. That's not my problem. How others treat you is THEIR Karma, how you react is YOURS.
I believe Rumpelstiltskin's Karma is coming.
Had a vision this morning of a big pointed mountain with T having crossed over the top and now rapidly sliding down on his butt with his hands in the air. An out of control, powerless freefall, almost like a cartoon drawing.
My favorite nickname comes from Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist. He calls him the Cheeto Jesus
Great post Cindy. Most of my relatives are Republicans with the exception of my brother who is Dem like me. They are all scared of the changes in the world or angry that "they" are getting free stuff that "they" don't deserve. None of them can tell you who "they" are but they are getting stuff for free! I have one cousin I was at one time quite clase too that I don't visit anymore. All she does is sit by herself in her apartment and search the internet for reasons to hate people while listening to Fox news. SHe has no compassion and no empathy for anyone. She lost her daughter to cancer 25 years ago and has never recovered. She calls herself a Christian and can quote the Bible all day but she hates everyone who isn't just like her. It makes me so sad. I have a group of ladies I worked with that get together twice a year for lunch. The last time one of them started the Rep talk and whipped out her gun she carries for personal protection. This is the same gal that got up from her desk and tripped over her bottom desk drawer she had just opened! I excused myself and left after I got the lecture of how it was her right and if I didn't like it it was my problem. I will not return for anymore lunches.
I don't understand who these people are afraid of! Why do they think they are so important that someone is going to come and try to kill them? It's sad but I don't want that in my life. As I have exibited on here a number of times I have a tendency toward depression. Being around people like that either makes me angry or sad so I stay away. I recently have returned to my Yoga practice. This gives me a lot of peace.
Not surprisingly, Fox News Channel hosts are lying thru their teeth from here to doomsday about what is actually in the Mueller report. They rely on people being intellectually lazy and not going to the trouble of getting the report and reading it themselves. The only reason that Robert Mueller did not indict Donald Trump on criminal charges is because of a ridiculous DOJ rule that says you cannot indict a sitting president. This effectively places the president above the law, something the founding fathers never intended.
Mueller's report outlines overwhelming evidence that Donald Trump repeatedly obstructed efforts to properly investigate meddling in the 2016 election and learn the truth. Trump would be answering criminal charges for obstruction of justice except for the ridiculous DOJ rule. There is a strong likelihood that there could be a sealed indictment against Trump on exactly that charge effective January 20th, 2020. There might also be sealed indictments for tax evasion and money laundering as well that won't be effective until January 20th, 2020.
Just because Mueller could not prove that the Trump campaign was actually involved in the Russian meddling doesn't get Trump off the hook. Mueller proved that the Trump campaign expected to benefit greatly from the Russian meddling and there were extensive contacts with the Russians so they could benefit.
I love Lawrence's vision. I believe it too. Take heart 5LeafClover, Faux News viewers are in for a surprise this weekend. There are ads being run by the group The Republicans for the Rule of Law on their favorite channel: Newsweek article or you can see the ad itself here: Obstruction of Justice ad
Republicans are seeing the train wreck coming, and they are starting to disassociate and condemn: 
Imagine how many more will be on board if they hold hearings and hear Rumpelstiltskin's aids and law enforcement community members telling everyone how they were told to break laws or obstruct justice. How many more will join when his taxes and business records are reviewed and show other crimes.
It's the beginning of the end.
I was in the liquor store today (!) and the owner had Fox on as loud as it would go. I tried to tune it out but the vibration was just disgusting. I finally just turned around and left. Why should I buy products from smeone who hates what I stand for? The little bit of the dialogue I did let in was that the American people are sick of this report and support Trump 100%. They had a Rep senator on who said The reps want justice too and secruity but blab,blab, blab. T hat's when I stopped listening.
As for Romney, he lost all credibility when he stood up to Trump when he too was running, then backed down and kissed up to him after the election. Romney is wishy washy and only wants to get his face on TV and his name in the papers.
I forgot to mention in my earlier post how much I love the nicknames! I laughed myself silly at some of them. Donny little fingers made me snort!
Yogagirl,
In response to the woman who whipped a gun out at lunch and proclaimed its for her protection, this is the logic I cant make sense of. Its almost a phallic power they are using to cover up for other insecurities. A majority not only need to have the gun, but they also have an overwhelming need to let everyone know they have one and defend their ownership of it. Excuse the brashness of the coming analogy, but it really seems to be the same mindset. How would surrounding people take it if, at lunch, I took out my manhood and proclaimed it was my biological right to have one? Aside from the audible chuckles(self deprecating humor is fun at times), everyone would be appalled. "But it is for my protection in case I start on fire. I need it to put the fire out!" How is that any different, and much less threatening and dangerous, than pulling out a gun at a lunch table?
LOL, MAS1581! I don't understand it either. It must fulfill some need i don't get. I have gotten to the point when they start the it's my constitutional right BS that I reply it's my constitutional right to choose not to be around them. Then they start sputtering! One time I whipped out my pocket size copy of the US Constitution and said show me where it says that. I have read the Constitution and half of theBS they say is in there isn't.
This has nothing to do with the Mueller report, but I wanted to recommend an excellent, 2-part PBS series that some of you may find of interest. I wasn’t sure where to post this recommendation, but thought it was worth mentioning here. It’s called “Reconstruction: America After the Civil War” by Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s really worth watching. So much we were never taught in school and still don’t know. Our country has never honestly faced the sins of our past and healed from it. The series explains a lot about our current divisions and where we are now. I pray that as we face our truths as a country, we will face our divisions and heal together.
Wishing you all a beautiful and peaceful Sunday.