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The Vaccine - Many issues to discuss

(@mas1581)
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@jewels A friend of mine once pointed out that most people lead such ordinary and mundane lives that there is no real or valid reason that the government would want or need to spy on them or track them.   Unless you committed a major crime (or are conspiring to commit one), are behind on your taxes, or are perceived as a threat to the government, you're really no more special than 331 million other people in the U.S. 

That said, corporations looking for marketing data they can use to sell their products are a totally different story. ;-)



   
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@isabelle The reaction you had to the SHINGRIX shots is very similar to my Sister's. She took the second one as well, but both shots knocked her out for three days. I had no similar reactions to the Shingrix shots, so it's apparently different for everyone.

I agree with you that if folks see others having bad reactions to the COVID vaccines they may opt out. However, my Sister recovered and plans on taking the COVID vaccines when they come out. Better to look at the larger perspective of higher immunity in my humble opinion.



   
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@jujubeans7050

 

You are so right...thank you for responding.  It's so interesting that for some, a specific vaccine has virtually no side effects and yet, for others, it can be really severe.  But you are  100% right:  better to suffer a few days and gain that vital needed immunity!  



   
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@isabelle My Sister has Hepatitis C, so I'm sure this is a factor in why she had such a severe reaction. Of course, her Husband suggested that she take the flu shot at the same time as the second dose of the SHINGRIX. NOT a good idea!!!



   
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@jujubeans7050

 

OMG, she took BOTH vaccines simultaneously?  Not a good idea.  Hopefully she'll realize this in the future and just take one at a time.  Very glad she is back on her feet and fully recovered...these side effects (if one is not given the heads up to expect them) can be scary... 



   
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This may be informative--  It's an excerpt from an article that describes some vaccine trial volunteers' experiences with side effects:

"The actual injection felt, at first, just like a flu shot, which is basically just a little pinch in the side of your arm," Batalvi said. "Once I left the hospital, that evening, the stiffness got a little bit worse. It was definitely manageable, but you kind of don't really feel like moving your arm too far above your shoulder. But the side effects are pretty localized. I mean, it's just in the muscle in your arm. And that's about it. It doesn't really affect anything else and you feel fine."
That was after the first dose. But the second dose was different.
"I actually had some pretty significant symptoms after I got the second dose. Once I got the second dose, I was fine while I was in the hospital. But that evening was rough. I mean, I developed a low-grade fever, and fatigue and chills," Batalvi said. He said he was out for that day and evening, but he "felt ready to go by the next morning."
He said he called the study doctors to let them know about his symptoms. They weren't alarmed and told him he shouldn't be either.
Feeling under the weather does not mean that you got Covid-19 from the vaccine -- in fact, experts say having this kind of reaction shows that your body is responding the way it should, and it should not deter anyone from getting vaccinated or going back for their second dose.
"That means your immune response is working for you. You should feel good about that," said vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit of the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "And [there] shouldn't really be any difficulty coming back for that second shot, knowing that you're now in a much better position to fight off this awful virus, which has killed more than 250,000 people and can cause a lot of long term effects."
Infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg the same thing on Monday.
"What the body is telling you by that response is that it's responding well to the injection," he said.
"When you get an injection of the vaccine, you induce a response. In some people, they don't feel anything," he said. "Others feel an ache in the arm. Some may feel an ache in the arm and kind of a little chilly feeling, almost like you have a flu-like syndrome, and in a minority of people, they get a fever."
Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said "almost all of this goes away within 24 or at the most, 48 hours" and added that it's important to be honest with people about the side effects they may experience.
Operation Warp Speed Chief Scientific Adviser Moncef Slaoui said Monday that approximately 10 to 15% of immunized study subjects will develop "quite noticeable side effects."
"Most people will have much less noticeable side effects. That frankly -- in comparison to a 95% protection against an infection that can be deadly or significantly debilitating -- I think is an appropriate balance," he said.
 

The full article is here:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/health/coronavirus-vaccine-volunteer-side-effects/index.html



   
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The Trump administration had a chance to buy more vaccines from Pfizer late this summer and did not. So they might not be able to produce more vaccines until June 2021.

Great going again you failed the US. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=74578775&cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR1Xde2FC9nohMspX0I-gvvIV_xCXL4oAYthul17RtTdWBot3GwC5btxlzc#74592650



   
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@jessi1978

Honestly, I think is more sensationalism than substance.

100M doses is enough for 1/3 of the population to get the 1st injection and if you combine that with the people who have had it(known or not) and don't need the vaccine, you are reaching probably half the population if not slightly more. Also, children should be last on the list to get it because of the extremely low risk of severe cases. With the logistics and tiered administration of getting the vaccine into arms, even if they had 300M doses ordered, they probably wouldn't get thru 100M of those by June anyway. You will also have Moderna's vaccine in the same amount alongside Pfizer's so it really won't have any noticeable real world affect. 

As much as I love to rag on Trump, I dont think this was necessarily that significant a move. It also will allow other countries to get the vaccine easier because Trump just signed the EO today to make "America first" in distribution of it. It actually will be better for the world that he did pass on it, even though I'm sure it was not intended.



   
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Posted by: @mas1581

if you combine that with the people who have had it(known or not) and don't need the vaccine,

But do we really know they don't need it?  By all accounts, there's no evidence that immunity from having it lasts more than a couple of months, and there have been many cases of re-infection after recovery.



   
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