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(@lovendures)
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The last few times I have thought of him, and I haven't much lately, I feel he is becoming less consequential. 

The wicked witch is melting.  



   
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(@msull1975)
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Hi all! 

Been an observer for quite some time now and I find comfort here. I am happy to see love and light here ! 

I just wanted to let you know without disclosing too much about my demographics and where I am in Research and my department have been working on [removed]a  COVID vaccine trial. I can just only speak for myself when I tell you that no one has had an adverse event in our facility and there  is a lot of promises about this one. Only one poke .5ml, does not have to be so cold and phase 3 almost done. I am thinking about trusting this one over the other's because A, I have seen. 1st hand, B, because you will not be required to get another injection after. I am excited about that. 

It is frustrating because I am working with this trial that so many people are scared to do it because of the misinformation that has been thrown out there. I am a person that works in the healthcare system and I still worry about the Flu vaccine after I get it as I know quite a few that have gotten Guillain-Barré Syndrome and I understand the fear. 

Just wanted to share this to ease some fear. A lot of you are very talented individuals in the craft here and I hope all of you have very happy holidays if you are partaking

 

-M 



   
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Posted by: @jsr78

The problem we have with the vaccine is that we don't have enough of it and people are suffering/dying now. Plus that idiot T didn't buy more of the Pfizer vaccine. 

As much as I loathe giving He Who Shall Not be Named or his Administration any credit, I don't know that buying a lot more of the Pfizer vaccine will really make a huge difference for most people.

I spoke to a friend and sometimes colleague of mine last week who is a former J&J executive.  According to her, the science and tech for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines is very good.  It should work and it really shouldn't have side effects.

The problem is that the mRNA is very unstable, and so she's really concerned about distribution and how realistic mass distribution of these vaccines at super-low temperatures is going to be, especially the Pfizer vaccine.

The distribution issue has already gotten a lot of attention, but ALSO, with how unstable and fragile the mRNA is, nobody knows how long it will last in the body, so nobody knows how long the immunity will really last.  Since they've only done a couple months of testing, it's a major question mark.

So while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are HUGE for healthcare workers now, it's very unclear if they're going to be as valuable long-term outside of large hospitals and medical centers.

(The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines are built on the old vaccine method of shooting a dead virus which is much more stable.  They may not be as effective in ideal circumstances, but they may be more practical for a lot of people in the end).



   
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@mas1581

Hope you feel better and that no one else in your family gets it.

My youngest niece (she's around 20 years old) tested positive last month and no one else in her household seemed to get infected. Her mom (my sister) is a nurse so she and the older niece who also works in her hospital both got tested and they both tested negative.  They got the standard test and not the antibody test so it's always possible they had been exposed previously and were asymptomatic at some point.  The youngest niece only experienced a sore throat and loss of smell / taste, so a very mild case and she's back to work now.

Anyway, I just found it encouraging that folks in the same household don't necessarily spread it to others in the household.  After the test came back positive, the younger niece stayed to herself in her bedroom and wore a mask when around others in the house. 



   
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By virtue of my job I was able to get the first Covid shot today. I get the second in three weeks. It was an humbling experience. I cried, with relief. I didn’t realize how much emotion and stress I’ve been carrying about this pandemic.

So far, no adverse reaction. I’ll let you know if I grow a third arm out of my ear, or some such.

I am doing this memory of my three Honduran friends and coworkers who died from Covid - Eduardo, Shane and Sandy. And those with Covid whom I’ve taken care of at work. 

 

 



   
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@melmystery

The twins came back positive this morning but still asymptomatic and my daughter is negative and wife is negative-neither with any symptoms. The twins' biological brother, who is in a different foster home, is positive and his foster parents are as well. They are having mild symptoms as am I.

I thought I would express this because in my personal situation it has held up thusfar and there is some scientific research leaning in the same direction, but not established fact yet. Out of the 10 people in my situation, 8 are positive, 6 of which are symptomatic, and 2 are negative. My wife and daughter had more transmissible contact with the twins than I have the last 2 weeks so I started looking for other commonalities that couldve protected them and found one. Out of the 10 people, they are the only ones who regularly take antihistamines. When I noticed this, I researched a little and found that studies have shown that antihistamines can possibly protect against cellular entry by the covid virus. Its far from a sure thing, but considering many people take them regularly in the warmer months, continuing to take them thru this winter would not be a bad idea in my opinion. At best, it can help and at worst, if you already take them in warmer months, it will do no harm to you to continue. 

 



   
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WePosted by: @msull1975

Hi all! 

Been an observer for quite some time now and I find comfort here. I am happy to see love and light here ! 

I just wanted to let you know without disclosing too much about my demographics and where I am in Research and my department have been working on [removed]a  COVID vaccine trial. I can just only speak for myself when I tell you that no one has had an adverse event in our facility and there  is a lot of promises about this one. Only one poke .5ml, does not have to be so cold and phase 3 almost done. I am thinking about trusting this one over the other's because A, I have seen. 1st hand, B, because you will not be required to get another injection after. I am excited about that. 

It is frustrating because I am working with this trial that so many people are scared to do it because of the misinformation that has been thrown out there. I am a person that works in the healthcare system and I still worry about the Flu vaccine after I get it as I know quite a few that have gotten Guillain-Barré Syndrome and I understand the fear. 

Just wanted to share this to ease some fear. A lot of you are very talented individuals in the craft here and I hope all of you have very happy holidays if you are partaking

 

-M 

 @msull1975.

First off, welcome to our community.  So happy you have posted and I am glad you have enjoyed our community. I agree, there is a great deal oof love and light here.

Now, regarding thee vaccine, this is really interesting news.  One dose, not 2?  Doesn't not need to be as cold?  Excellent news!  It sounds very promising indeed.  This will be helpful indeed.  How soon do you think it will be before it is available to the public?

 



   
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@mas1581

Antihistamines. So interesting indeed. I am so sorry your family was exposed by people who knew they were positive. I can only imagine what life would have been like if they had remained with these birth parents. They are so fortunate to have you to be their father, hopefully forever dad.  

May you and your whole family be well soon and feel only mild illness.  



   
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(@mas1581)
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@msull1975

I am fairly certain I know who you work for, but won't name it. If I am correct, I do have one question. Why were your trials cut back by 1/3? 



   
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@lovendures

Thank you. If they were still with their birth parents, they wouldn't be here anymore. There is enough pointing that direction from the parents' history that I can confidently, but sadly, say that. There never was any question as to whether we would adopt them and this seals it even more. Its just a matter of time. Trial is scheduled for Feb 15th and hopefully its not delayed again(should've been this past June then October). After the process and appeals play out, adoption should be sometime May/June 2021.



   
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@mas1581 That is very encouraging news. I have been taking the acid blocker famotidine antihistamine for years. It is something I will be taking for the rest of my life due to esophageal cancer. I guest something good has come from that. Thanks again for the update.

I hope you and the rest of the family recover with mild to no symptoms. I am sending you all healing light and love. 



   
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Posted by: @lowtide

By virtue of my job I was able to get the first Covid shot today. I get the second in three weeks. It was an humbling experience. I cried, with relief. I didn’t realize how much emotion and stress I’ve been carrying about this pandemic.

So far, no adverse reaction. I’ll let you know if I grow a third arm out of my ear, or some such.

I am doing this memory of my three Honduran friends and coworkers who died from Covid - Eduardo, Shane and Sandy. And those with Covid whom I’ve taken care of at work. 

 

 

My only side effect from the Covid shot was a banging headache that I woke up with on Friday morning. I took Tylenol in the morning and ibuprofen in the afternoon and at 4 pm it disappeared and didn’t return. It didn’t interfere with me working yesterday. 



   
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(@lovendures)
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@lowtide

What a blessing.  I am so happy you were able to get the vaccine now.  I can imagine you were a swirl of emotions as your received it too.  May the memory of your friends continue to be a guiding light.  I am very happy the headache was manageable.  I am so excited!  Our community members are actually getting the first vaccines.  That is such a hopeful statement.  Hopeful for everyone. 



   
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@lovendures

It’s funny. It is being offered to ED and ICU staff at one of our large hospitals in Tampa. It will move on down to the smaller hospitals, but I felt compelled to drive the two hours to Tampa to go ahead and  get it. There is so much misinformation out there even among my colleagues that I figured maybe I could ease some fears and set an example. The doc I worked with yesterday asked me about it. He’s apprehensive. There’s a lot of apprehension among my younger coworkers, too. So I figured I would be the guinea pig for the group.

I will definitely make sure that after the second injection, I have a day or two off work. The second one is supposed to cause the worst side effects.



   
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As a side note, the New Zealand PM, Jacinda Ardern, just did this:

"New Zealand has announced it will provide the new Covid vaccine to any New Zealander who wants it — free of charge. Then they went further. They're also making the vaccine available to all of their Pacific island neighbors."

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1340373616064655366?s=20

She is such an inspirational leader. We need more leaders in the world like her.



   
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Hmm!

I have mixed feelings about this.

"President-elect Joe Biden plans to release nearly all available doses of the coronavirus vaccine once he takes office, seeking to speed up the sluggish start of a mass vaccination campaign as cases soar, hospitals are overwhelmed and a faster-spreading form of the virus has invaded the country.

The plan, announced Friday by the Biden transition team, pivots sharply from the Trump administration’s strategy of holding in reserve roughly half the doses to ensure sufficient supply for people to get a required second shot.
 
Biden’s plan is the most concrete signal to date of how he intends to reshape the federal role in the unprecedented campaign to vaccinate the nation and tamp down a devastating public health threat. It also places him squarely on one side of a heated dispute over the ethics and practicalities of accomplishing that goal."
 
 


   
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Posted by: @lovendures

Hmm!

I have mixed feelings about this.

"President-elect Joe Biden plans to release nearly all available doses of the coronavirus vaccine once he takes office, seeking to speed up the sluggish start of a mass vaccination campaign as cases soar, hospitals are overwhelmed and a faster-spreading form of the virus has invaded the country.

The plan, announced Friday by the Biden transition team, pivots sharply from the Trump administration’s strategy of holding in reserve roughly half the doses to ensure sufficient supply for people to get a required second shot.
 
Biden’s plan is the most concrete signal to date of how he intends to reshape the federal role in the unprecedented campaign to vaccinate the nation and tamp down a devastating public health threat. It also places him squarely on one side of a heated dispute over the ethics and practicalities of accomplishing that goal."
 
 

Yeah my first thoughts were mixed on this as well. However I am wondering if Pfizer and Moderna are running into a bottleneck where they are running out of storage space for produced vaccines waiting for distribution. In order to produce more, they first need to free up the storage space. 



   
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While far from a perfect solution, the science behind this is valid given our situation. Single doses are at least 52% effective while second doses are 94-95%. When trying to attain herd immunity for the masses, and it raging out of control, the numbers here make sense. 

If you inoculate 1 million people, at least 520,000 should have immunity with single doses whereas if we inoculated 500,000 woth double doses, only 488-490,000 would have immunity. Then we can give a second dose down the road and slow the spread a little more while waiting. Its just disgusting that we are back to rationing a year into this but we have to make due with what we have thanks to Trump.



   
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We also should have a Johnson and Johnson single dose, and easier to store, sometime mid-late February to help.



   
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@mas1581

Excellent news about a J and J single dose.  We need one

Except I truly dislike that company.  What they did with talc and their baby powder still gets me upset.  

They really need to show it is an ethical vaccine.  They have a hill to climb.  



   
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