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(@michele-b)
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@laura-f

Thank you for sharing the full and complete letter from Dr. Bikowski. I read excepted comments and facts about it yesterday but never the full transcript. 

It was an incredible pouring forth of so many emotions, so many facts and figures and even faces in my mind's eye and was a huge catalyst for me to truly focus thoughts, prayers and energies tonight during meditation on the State of Arizona and all of her people.

I am sharing it on my own Internet connecting social media outlets as a wake up call here in Oregon. 

We are surging ourselves on a much smaller scale but one that has the potential to go from our high of almost 300 cases a day to the 3,000 plus thar Arizona has now at any point. 

Today,  our Governor Kate Brown has officially mandated that ALL residents must wear a face covering/ mask in any and all buildings in very county in Oregon.Businesses are given the right and power to enforce the ruling in the same way they might otherwise enforce trespassers and trespassing 

I do not and have not gone anywhere, not a store, not a doctors, not a dentists, not even any of my own children's houses or yards since March 2nd. 

I have sewn masks and given them away by the dozens and dozens and dozens  until my hands hurt too much to run a sewing machine.

And seeing photos of people "partying like its 1995" and out and about refusing to wear masks makes me crazy.

This letter needs to be shared everywhere to anyone we know. And if their veins are too filled up with kool-aid to hear, feel, and listen to this message than at least you, I and everyone else who shares it and more will at least have tried to wake them up from their hypnotic states of denial.

Thank you Laura! 



   
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(@michele-b)
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As i read the latest statistics on the enormous surging of COVID-19 from what was thought of as "The First Wave" to discussions among scientists and epidemiologists as to whether we have already entered a "Second Wave" to a very different approach where Scientific American writer Maria Broadfoot quoting epidemiologist Sarah Coby who describes it as "burning through the population" as:

Misplaced Analogies: COVID-19 Is More like a Wildfire Than a Wave - Scientific American

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/misplaced-analogies-covid-19-is-more-like-a-wildfire-than-a-wave/

Having just read that a new form or perhaps mutated form of the Swine Flu that hit us in the U.S. then spread elsewhere in 2008 has just been reported as infecting people in China with the potential to spread just as the current COVID-19 has:

Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China - BBC News

While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.
As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53218704

 

@Jeanne-mayell

I debated the future potential of these statistics and articles and findings and ongoing spread that we might actually be in a continuing (new) phase that goes beyond the implications of COVID-19 and almost started a new thread on "COVID-19 July 2020 and Beyond".

Ill leave that thought and potential implications of many viruses hitting at once or morphing into new strains of Sars/ Corona viruses (with many sub indexing numbers and names) decision of up to you. New thread or just keep on under this thread?

 

 



   
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@laura-f thank you for sharing this.  It’s shocking to read but we must know reality.  Stay safe.  



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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@laura-f Thank you for posting this informative testimony.  Looks like your message from the Arizona doctor came from his facebook page which looks authentic, based on his earlier posts.  Also you always post good authentic sources but I still wanted to know where it came from.

He appears to be another one of the doctors who wants the world to know what he is seeing.  Bravo for him.  Still it would be good if someone, perhaps Paul Campbell from the UK, would break down some of the things he's saying to see what the evidence is for, example, that covid antibodies decrease after three months.  Would someone post any sources for that possibility?



   
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(@lowtide)
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@jeanne-mayell

I think the article being referred to regarding 3-month immunity is this:

Clinical and immunological assessment of
asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections published in Nature Medicine

The key sentence in the Discussion is this:

"Recently, several studies characterizing adaptive immune
responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection have reported that most
COVID-19 convalescent individuals have detectable neutralizing
antibodies, which correlate with the numbers of virus-specific
T cells26–29. In this study, we observed that IgG levels and neutralizing
antibodies in a high proportion of individuals who recovered
from SARS-CoV-2 infection start to decrease within 2–3 months
after infection."

It was received for publication on May 1, 2020 and published on June 18, 2020.

 



   
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(@laura-f)
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I can bring links. I'll put them below.

If you think about it, it makes sense that antibodies don't last for CV19. The common cold is also a coronavirus. The reason everyone gets the common cold is because it mutates constantly AND your body doesn't keep the antibodies beyond a few weeks. I know that has happened to me in the past!  And I am now wondering if my own negative antibody test a few weeks ago was negative because I waited too long - more than 2 months past the disappearance of my last symptoms. And same for everyone I know who had a "mystery virus" over the winter that had many of the hallmarks of CV19. Yet every one of us has come up as antibody-negative, which speaking statistically is next to impossible.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/27/1000569/how-long-are-people-immune-to-covid-19/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/health/coronavirus-antibodies.html

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly



   
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(@lovendures)
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@jeanne-mayell

Regarding the AZ doctor, I found this online from the Tucson Sentinel.  It is basically the same story but not as updated. He was a guest columnist. 

The Doctor appears to work at Honor Health in Scottsdale.  He appears legit. My friends daughter is a neuro nurse at a Tucson hospital and her floor has been converted to a covid floor.  AZ has enacted the guidelines for who to save and not save now. My friends daughter is a neurological nurse at a Tucson hospital and her floor has been converted to a Covid floor now.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/reporter/78301/

Arizona reported nearly 4,900 new COVID-19 cases and 88 additional deaths on Wednesday, by far the highest number of cases and deaths in a daily update provided by health officials and further indication of how widespread the new coronavirus has become in the state.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/07/01/arizona-coronavirus-update-july-1-new-cases-and-deaths-break-records/5355800002/

Looks like the virus is spreading too rapidly in the US now to control, per the CDC.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/30/1957125/-The-CDC-surrenders-COVID-19-spreading-too-rapidly-to-be-brought-under-control

 

 



   
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(@laura-f)
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OK I need to vent.

Every county surrounding mine (San Diego) has pulled back on reopening. AZ never really locked down.

We are being inundated. I-5 was packed all the way from LA to here. The 50% of houses on my block that are AirBnB are filled with out of town visitors (AZ plates mostly). For the first time since all this began, my husband went to a beach area early in the morning and ended up driving home because NO ONE was wearing a mask and it was already packed. Even my daughter and her boyfriend are scared. So we're all spending the weekend on the property here at home. I won't even venture past my front gate.

I don't usually type in all caps, but I sent a nasty note to our governor in all caps that basically said WTF?

What are these governors thinking???? Why does the vocal, insane minority get to call the shots?????????????????

And here it is 11pm and the AirBnB people are all hanging out in front of their properties partying it up. One more peep and I'm calling the cops.

I'm so aggravated here. We moved here because we like it, but since I can;t go anywhere, I'm especially missing Northern VA right now.... wish I was back in my little old town where at least people were more civil towards each other (even if it was phony some of the time).



   
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(@lovendures)
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@laura-f

Aren't your beaches closed?  I thought most CA beaches were closed by the Governor.  

I would be upset too.

I am in Colorado right now at a family home my parents have ( they are not here).  It is in the mountains and a bunch of people from Texas are here and it is bothering the locals.  Not many from AZ here, AZ people go to southern CO mostly in places like Telluride. Many of the visitors don't want to wear masks. The county (Eagle County) isn't mandating them so one of the towns has done so on their own.  The town just implemented this new rule for masks on Tuesday.  On Wednesday, there was an employee at the front of the store not letting people in unless they had a mask.  There were some very upset people.  I was very happy to know that masks were required.  

When we are guests in a town that is not our own, we really should be respectful and on our best behavior.  Both AZ visitors and Texas visitors are giving their states a bad name. it would seem.   

While I am happy to be here and am able to enjoy the outdoors and fresh air, I don't understand why masks can't be mandated especially inside.  If everyone must wear them, not only do we lower virus spread, we no longer see what political side people likely favor.  People look the same.  I also don't understand why the restrictions are not implemented across the board. 



   
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Mayor de Blasio announced that public schools will be open this September for the Fall semester.



   
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