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(@dannyboy)
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I am waffling all over the news.  First and foremost, while I've been tweeting about it this morning I did correct someone on a tweet of mine who said he hoped the President ended up with a ventilator.  I honestly don't wish that on anyone.

And then I started seeing (and posting) some of the comments about how this is quite possibly a hoax -- a great distraction from his debate performance, the tax fraud issue, a great way to get out of future debates (which we've had several predictions wouldn't be happening the past few days)

I don't know where or what to think on this.  I can't throw any more energy his way to read the area.

I will also say a few of my friends are terrified he gets the Boris Johnson treatment and a massive wave of public sympathy from this.  I'll be honest -- I didn't follow that story this summer -- but several of you are overseas friends.  I don't find Johnson nearly as dark and divisive as Trump -- but I'm also not living under him.  Any insights overseas folks?  



   
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Posted by: @lovendures

Our East Coast members will wake up to a changed world.

 

I sure did!  Found out via my morning email news feed.  And also had an email from family "down under" (thus in a very different time zone) who said that the newscasters there were having to stifle their laughter as they announced it. 



   
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(@mas1581)
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If Trump passes or is incapacitated before 11/3 from this, as Lawrence has hinted to in the past with his vision of Trump going dark, Pence would take over until January if he is healthy/recovers. Because voting has already started, there isn't time to change his name on the ballot. If he is re-elected posthumously, Pence would be the one inaugurated on 1/20/21 correct?

At worst, in that scenario, it would lessen the violent blowback from either outcome of the election. At best, it gives enough of his would be voters pause and elects Biden.

I get the feeling that Trump was right and we did just turn the corner on covid-just not how he had thought. This will wake some people up and will be seen as a huge turning point in the fight to get our country back.



   
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(@lawrence)
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@mas1581

 

My original post was 2/7/20 under Unraveling of DT.

 



   
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@jeanne-mayell

Here are my predictions (although I don't count them as hits yet, because it hasn't become "major" yet...)

8/28/2020: I still feel there is a serious life event (feels health related) coming up for Trump and it feels like it is before the election, but I can't say for sure. 

https://www.jeannemayell.com/community/postid/33901/

 

2/6/2020:  ...I'm expecting him to suffer a major health event relatively soon (within the next year) which I think has also been foreseen by others on this forum.

https://www.jeannemayell.com/community/postid/20047/



   
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(@lovendures)
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Who has tested positive with ties to the WH recently?

The President of the United States
 
The First Lady of the United States
 
Hope Hicks- Presidential Advisor
 
Sen. Mike Lee of UT and Judiciary Committe member - attended White House event for Barrett on Tuesday.  Lee met with other judiciary committee members earlier this week. 
 
RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel - tested positive Wednesday.  Last met with President last Friday.
 
Notre Dame President - attended  Saturday WH event (seen with no mask)
 
2 members of the WH Press Corps  (unidentified)
 
White House Staffer (unidentified)


   
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(@mas1581)
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Add Thom Tillis to that list



   
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Many people have been infected (the list has grow to include another senator, Tillis and more reporters).  Many were at the event on Saturday.  We are looking at a likely Super Spreader event.

So. we are likely looking at many others getting sick.

Washington and places like Cleveland, Minnesota and New Jersey are in danger of having some big outbreaks.  

We know this virus has no boundaries, no political bias and can destroy  families of all types.  This is going to be a very difficult time for our entire nation.  Please remind yourself to keep being a light worker whenever possible. That the highest and greatest good work through each of us  right now and that we all contribute to help whenever possible. 

Find your compassion and remember to share it with those who are afraid.  Compassion and love are boundless.  

Our nation needs light.



   
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@lovendures, I so agree with you. Our love and light is needed now more than ever, for such a time as this.



   
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@mas1581 looks like Kellyanne Conway as well according to her am daughter and a tweet from Kellyanne.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1573736/trump-coronavirus-kellyanne-conway-claudia-tiktok-coughing-daughter/amp/

 

share the love and light 



   
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That Rose Garden gathering seems to have been a super spreader event.



   
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@lowtide yeah it’s being traced back to that event.  Pence was there too; hmmmm.

 

 

share the love and light 



   
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@saibh The silver lining here is that, unlike March, teachers who’ve had success with Distance Learning are creating online resources, tips, tricks, tutorials to help others who are behind the curve. If your teachers get plunged into the deep end of the pool, there is help and support — free help and support —waiting for them. They will still need time to adapt, though. 

That said, this premature push to move back to normal quickly is misguided. Here in California, despite the fact that our governor is not a denier, we have districts trying to ram through in-person and hybrid learning when that isn’t genuinely safe. These districts pretend to put safety elements in place, but I believe some parents will send their children to school knowing they are ill. Look at that behavior in the Rose Garden that infected so many! There is similar behavior in my community. 

I am working 10-14 hours a day, six days a week most of the time, just to vet technology, test drive digital lessons, grade, email families about missing work or silent, invisible kids in my Zoom meetings— oh, and of course I do teach live on Zoom for four hours a day and post more work for kids to do in their off-camera school time. Side note: a lot of us use YouTube to help with creating a visual component for a concept. But in my case, it takes hours to find the right YouTube material to engage these kids, and if I can’t find it, then I create a screencast video of my own — another hour of recording to get ten minutes of supplemental instruction juuust right. 

It’s overwhelming. My house is a disaster area! I can’t recall the last time I vacuumed. I have piles of stuff everywhere, lol. I almost walked off the job a week or so ago because my principal has given us weekly piles of busy work that other schools don’t have to do. She is completely disconnected to how stressed and exhausted teachers are. 

And don’t even get me started on the critics who think we aren’t doing enough. We are selfish for not being in the brick and mortar classrooms. They call us slackers who watch daytime TV and collect a free paycheck. It’s enough to make a person’s head explode. 

I am very uncomfortable with the November 30 return date. Maybe things will improve in two months and I will feel better about it all. 



   
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(@lovendures)
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@parizienne

I am a former teacher and I can only imagine your pain right now.  

My daughter is an elementary School music teacher who is currently teaching both students virtually and in person.  It is double the work and little time for creating lessons for 7 grade levels for both modalities.  

At her school, some of the teachers have gotten togather to co-teach.  One does science and the other does history.  Less lesson planning which helps a bit. Are you an elementary school teacher and would that work at all in your situation?

Parents really have no clue what teachers are going through and if you do not have a good principal, well, that makes life even more difficult.  You have enough to worry about regarding the virus let alone all this other stuff. 



   
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@parizienne Teachers are such heroes right now. It's horrible how little respect and patience people are giving them. No one knows what to do right now, so anything that moves forward even a little should be appreciated. I truly wish districts were giving things more time before sending kids back ... numbers are largely NOT in favor of resuming class in person. I wish MN was closer to CA ... I would mask up and come clean your house for you. Your task is monumental right now, and your home shouldn't be a place that stresses you out. Thank you for all you are being asked to take on and  arrange and execute.



   
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Well - despite an ever growing circle of high ranking government officials eschewing science and public health guidelines, the Michigan SCOTUS just struck down our Governor’s emergency powers yesterday and have restored the pandemic response to our Republican controlled legislature. 

For those of you not from Michigan, DOW Chemical and the Mackinaw Center for Public Policy paid for our SCOTUS about 20 years ago, and our legislature about 12-15 years ago, and that investment is now paying dividends.

The current plan according to our senate leader is to issue statewide guidelines (not mandates) to educate people on best practices and let the average Michigander make their own decisions.

Because that worked soooooooooo well in Florida.  And Texas.  And Arkansas.  

I’m livid right now because, not being a federal issue, there’s no appeal here — despite being held up in three lower courts, our elected SCOTUS backed their corporate overlords.

Anywho — how are you all tonight?



   
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@dannyboy

Ugh!

I am so sorry.



   
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Going back to this for the ever elusive perspective.

I’m still alone in my office helping teachers remotely.

My wife’s school has been remarkably proactive - she’ll stay safe.

My kids district is NOT taking things seriously, but their elementary principal is.  They’ll stay okay.

I have embraced and come to enjoy my antisocial side during this pandemic so I won’t attend anything with major attendance.  I’ll stay okay.

I’m just so vexed that we’re going to give free reign to the lunatics while our state has improved so much despite them.  And until our “Voters not Politicians” redistricting team is done with their work for the 2022 election, Michigan won’t flip back to its blue roots.  Anything that happens between now and then is going to be squarely pinned on Governor Whitmer as publicly as possible by the legislature to protect themselves.  She has a high approval rating amongst the populace.

 

 



   
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Posted by: @dannyboy

I will also say a few of my friends are terrified he gets the Boris Johnson treatment and a massive wave of public sympathy from this.  I'll be honest -- I didn't follow that story this summer -- but several of you are overseas friends.

I'm a little late but just wanted to offer my insight as a Brit. Unfortunately, what I want to say is pretty long and requires a couple of comments. I apologise for that, but it's pretty important context, I think.

 


When Boris got the virus, it was exactly like things are now in the US: people were shocked, but not surprised. He had been bragging on TV days before that he had visited COVID-19 wards and 'shook the hand of every single person,' so it was like 'what the hell did you expect?'

 

The response from then on was, again, identical to America. Conservatives voiced support, moderates on both sides of the aisle wished him well, and left-leaning people said 'I told you so.'


This was in March, at the beginning of the pandemic. Nobody knew what how bad the virus was, so the public was very sympathetic to what he was going through. When he left hospital and revealed that he had it much worse than his government told us (sound familiar?), his surge in popularity (which started BEFORE he got the virus) increased. Boris said he had a '50/50' shot at survival and he was clearly haunted by the experience, so the public felt for him. He came out of it voicing gratitude to the NHS, despite his track record in cutting its funding. So people were sympathetic because he had been through the wringer and may just have had an epiphany. Maybe he changed.


This is the important point: 
this surge in 'sympathy popularity' didn't last long. When he left hospital, his disapproval rating had fallen from 42% to 26%. Within two months, it was back to 50%. The reason for that is so predictable, I almost don't have to write it: Boris went back to work. And, like Trump, Boris cannot help but be Boris.


Within a matter of weeks, Boris took the public's goodwill and reminded them just how useless he is again and again. When he very publicly excused his top advisor for breaking the same rule of lockdown that many UK residents had been fined for breaking, he angered and divided the public again and lost the last of that sympathy. I can honestly say that people are still very, VERY unhappy with him about it. Even people in his own party are angry with him over it.



   
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You guys don't have two months. But, thankfully, your leader is even more self-destructive than Boris. Trump has no self-control, will not do as he's told and is almost absurd in how he undermines himself. He will erode that sympathy faster than you can imagine.

It's my honest opinion that once he is back on the world stage and being Trump, those people currently expressing their sympathy for him now will go back to disapproving of him. At the moment, he seems human and vulnerable, as Boris did. It's a moment of realization that 'anybody can get this virus.' But, if he makes it out of the hospital, he will no doubt be back to his old tricks, making up lies and most likely trying to paint himself as stronger than the many people this virus (and his handling of it) has killed. At that point, the world will see once again: the emperor has no clothes.

I'm sorry this is very long, but what's happening over there is almost identical to what happened here, even down to the cover-up about the President's condition.

So, to reiterate my most important point: the sympathy doesn't last. It comes from the illusion that these men will demonstrate meaningful change after experiencing something so horrible, the idea that this epiphany will make them more human.

Boris didn't change, and Trump will not change. In fact, it may make Trump look even worse if he tries to paint himself as stronger than those that unnecessarily lost their lives. And we all know he will do that.



   
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