Hi all, I recently watched Jeanne’s read the future YouTube. I got caught up with work and didn’t manage to get the whole way through. But I had an overwhelming feeling of ‘no ferries, no ferries’ It could of course just be my fears and what I’ve read here in the UK, but I wanted to put it out there nonetheless.
Hi Winkrainbow, I don't know what made me say anything at all about Brexit in that YouTube. I had not planned to mention it. It just popped out and I wish I'd edited it out afterwards because it seemed to come out of the ether.
When I meditated a few weeks earlier I did get a shakeup in the collective during March. I immediately thought of Brexit. But it could end out being something else. Sorry if I scared you.
I need to put out another Youtube so all the focus isn't on just that one. The future changes every day.
Hi everyone, any update to possible outcomes on Brexit? We're so close now...
Feeling for all our UK members and lurkers right now. How are all of you all holding up?
So much confusion and upheaval as the MP's just voted down the new May EU withdrawal deal. It is said a no Brexit Deal is much closer to happening now. May light be shed to guide the UK on the best course of action.
"The next step is... another vote (this one on Wednesday). MPs will vote on a motion on whether to allow the UK to exit the EU on 29 March without a deal - a so-called "disorderly" or "no-deal" Brexit.
Leaving the EU without a deal - and therefore without the 21-month transition period provided for by the deal - carries significant risks for trade, immigration, health, and more, and parliament will almost certainly reject that possibility.
Rejection of a no-deal Brexit would then set up... yes, you guessed it: another vote.
This one would decide whether Mrs May will go back to the EU to request an extension to Article 50 - the formal name for the notification from the UK that it is leaving the union.
That would throw the Brexit ball into the EU's court - potentially allowing the union to decide the terms of any extension period."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47542925
Would like to clarify I also feel for ALL people in the UK and in other countries who are dealing with the repercussions of this horribly planned situation.
Legally in written in law by default we leave on the 29th with no deal. The gov will need to rush through new legislation and fast.
It's a horrible situation. I really don't see an easy solution. Every path seems fraught with difficulties. I doubt there'll be a vote for no deal exit, but if they vote for an extension even that's problematic - we'll either have to make it only for a short period of a month or two, or if it's longer there's the issue of UK EU MPs - they'll still have to be elected and then there's questions of how much and how do they participate etc.). Listening to the analysis on the news yesterday an extension it's more messy than you would think! Plus the EU have said the deal offered was the final one, no more (let's hope that's just talk to push us to wrap this up). If it ended up that we have a very long extension, like 2 years or something I think that will cause a lot of uproar by the Brexiteers and there'll be fear mongering of 'we won't get our Brexit'. Parliament has to be seen to carrying out the people's will. How it's going to be finally achieved in a satisfactory way I don't know:(
I did a Tarot reading some weeks back on what would happen regarding Teresa May's deal and got that it would be an uphill struggle with many acting to not accept it, and the deal becoming 'nothing' (rejected/no deal/other alternatives). I also read on a no-deal Brexit and got that the possibility would weaken. So it's interesting to see it all play out, but I'd rather not have to!!
I found this primer on Brexit ( https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887#) for people who need a basic understanding of Brexit. It demystifies the issue yet gives the complexities. Tells who supports and opposes it and why, the options available at this point for the UK, and the consequences of a no-deal exit.
It's dated January 2019, though, so if someone wants to update it please do.
My daughter is currently getting her Master's degree in the UK. For a better understanding of what has been happening regarding Brexit, she has found these 2 videos helpful.
Gotta love the way the man ( I don't know his title) says Ooooder.
The US Congress is very different than the UK Parliament that is for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMueoYCtW0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoLvGbF-97I&feature=youtu.be
That's John Bercow, here he is being harassed by the BBC on the way to work
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1107935118394642432
Basically what's happened is... May's Deal with the EU was defeated by the biggest defeat ever in the house of commons.
May then went back to the EU to ask for some changes, she didn't get the deal changed but she came back with some superficial legal documents to go with the deal.
MPs then voted and rejected May's new deal too, they also voted against leaving the EU without a deal and to seek an extension to leaving the EU.
May was then contemplating bringing her deal back again for another vote without any changes. This annoyed a lot of MPs who said they had already voted on this.
John Bercow the speaker ruled that a deal could not be voted on again unless it was substantially different. He referenced an old rule from 1604.
So now May has a few options..
1. Get the deal changed or add something to it (I expect a fudge here)
2. Close this session of parliament and open a new one, this would involve the queen.
3. Call a general election (see point 2)
4. Pass a vote in the commons to by-pass this rule (same as voting on the deal)
5. Some kind of shadow vote or weird technical way around this.
The main problem with May's deal was that MPs were worried that they would be trapped in the deal forever, there didn't seem to be a way out of it. Apparently it falls (or may fall) under the Vienna Convention. Which would make it very hard to escape from unless there were 'exceptional reasons'.
example: Hungary and Slovakia signed a treaty in 1977 to build a dam together, in 1993 Hungary wanted out of the treaty and claimed that there had been some big changes since the treaty was signed - Slovakia had split from Czechoslovakia and the fall of the Soviet Union. But the International Court ruled that this was not sufficiently exceptional. So i'm not sure what is required to be 'exceptional'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47568883
At least while being a member of the EU there is a way of leaving.
She also needs to go back to the EU who are meeting on the 21st and 22nd of March and beg for an extension. The EU have said they need to know how long this extension should be and what it's to be used for - there must be a good reason. Nobody in the UK seems to know the answer to those two questions. The extension must be agreed by all 27 EU countries before they will grant it.
Apparently Leading Eurosceptics are lobbying right-of-centre governments in Europe (Italy/Poland and Hungary) to see if they would veto a British extension of article 50 and so ensure the UK drops out of the EU at the end of the month without a deal.
Even if May does bring her deal back for another vote she may find it hard to get through. There are rumors that some MPs will only back the deal if May resigns. Others are die hard brexiteers who will never support it. Remainers hate the deal just as much.
The EU have said there can be no changes to the deal and this is the best and only one (but they did say that last time too).
If May does get an extension MPs will need to vote on changing the day we leave the EU (29th March), it will also need to go through the house of lords. May has said over 100 times that the UK is leaving on the 29th March, changing this date will not be popular with Conservative votes who are much more in favor of leaving the EU. Deal or no Deal.
There's 10 days left to go....
Here's John Bercow reading his statement (you may need to view this on a desktop pc)
https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/6289c4a0-f2c1-4375-afe4-a9dcffbbe738?in=15:33:26&out=16:43:36