Thanks DcD2510, I went back and yes, saw I'd seen this: The progressives will be whipped harshly by those in power but the progressives will not stand for it. Ultimately it looks like a woman, hopefully she's a progressive, will be in charge. -- Jeanne Mayell
So who is this woman? DcD2510, I just finished diving into the shark tank of Barr, Mueller, and Trump's thoughts today and have no more bandwidth to read another thing for a while. Have to get out and feel the beautiful day and regain my whole self.
We are in a battle all over the globe right now. Ultimately humanity will win. But in the short term, all I can see is a blinding storm of forces fighting for power. Praying for love and peace. Will set up another Circle of Light evening very soon.
Well, Tanya Plibersk is considering running for ALP leadership, but she is soft left.
I don't think the Australian situation is due to digital fraud. It is a genuine situation created by many layers. I don't see any changes in the short term but I do see them. Consensus is very important in Australia and that will come soon especially as the reality about climate change shows its face in a more drastic way.
I agree with what Jeanne says, it is a planetary phenomenon and we all should first try to understand our own roles in it, locally.
However, we are also planetary beings so communication with people and realities beyond our own geographic area becomes also vital. They are all subject to the same phenomena we also are. But are representatives of the varying symptoms caused by that pehnomena. Lots to learn.
I don't think the Australian situation is due to digital fraud. It is a genuine situation created by many layers. I don't see any changes in the short term but I do see them. Consensus is very important in Australia and that will come soon especially as the reality about climate change shows its face in a more drastic way.
I agree with what Jeanne says, it is a planetary phenomenon and we all should first try to understand our own roles in it, locally.
However, we are also planetary beings so communication with people and realities beyond our own geographic area becomes also vital. They are all subject to the same phenomena we also are. But are representatives of the varying symptoms caused by that pehnomena. Lots to learn.
I think The Left needs to move to the centre-left, instead of being centrist or centre-right. Do you agree? Does anyone see this happening, or will Labor move to the right?
@Baba, your words about the Australian election results resonate with me. I was thinking earlier today about how similar the media reaction is to the aftermath of the midterm election in the US. The Liberal party (who are conservatives) will form a minority government, but no one has won a clear majority yet, and this election was different to previous elections in some ways. For example, more than 4 million people voted early. This is a record. I don't know what the impact of early votes could be, but things might look slightly better in the coming weeks.
Barack Obama's words after losing the election to Bobby Rush keep popping into my head: 'it shouldn't be too easy'. I feel as though despite a long reign of neoliberal government, Australia as a whole isn't feeling enough discomfort yet to want change. I am not claiming that some people aren't suffering. They are. Inequality is rising, climate change is hurting communities, malaise in the economy is hurting working Australians and those seeking work. But it is still too easy to ignore those who fall through the gaps.
It is striking how many seats have been retained. Any changes that have occurred are subtle (with the exception of a neo-liberal former prime minister losing his seat). Even the low percentage of women in parliament is projected to be the same (around 28%)!
I feel as though the message is that change will have to start locally with actual long-term, grassroots engagement. Once that is happens on a broader scale, challengers to the Liberal party might be more successful. Perhaps even in three years time.
Hi All,
I will be interested to see what the final tally is in the election. Does anyone know if they count the early voting ballots with the tallies on the day or are they counted afterwards? I asked a family member who lives there what they thought of the election and if they noticed any shady business going on and they anecdotally mentioned that the Liberals put up posters in purple and white (the colors are those used by the electoral commission) in Chinese giving instructions about how to fill out their ballots. I think it was thought to be ethically questionable but not illegal because the electoral commission doesn’t own the colors per se.
I wonder what effect compulsory voting has on the elections in Australia vs non-compulsory voting in the US? I am guessing that overall participation is higher in Australia. The systems are not identical though and I have the impression that the preferences used in voting can sometimes skew the results a bit in Australian elections. Every system has its particularities!
I will try to have a look at a few of the questions posed on here within the next few days - including Ged Kearney and a few others. I will let you know what I come up with. It just helps to have a bit of quiet and space to be able to think clearly.
Hi All,
I will be interested to see what the final tally is in the election. Does anyone know if they count the early voting ballots with the tallies on the day or are they counted afterwards? I asked a family member who lives there what they thought of the election and if they noticed any shady business going on and they anecdotally mentioned that the Liberals put up posters in purple and white (the colors are those used by the electoral commission) in Chinese giving instructions about how to fill out their ballots. I think it was thought to be ethically questionable but not illegal because the electoral commission doesn’t own the colors per se.
I wonder what effect compulsory voting has on the elections in Australia vs non-compulsory voting in the US? I am guessing that overall participation is higher in Australia. The systems are not identical though and I have the impression that the preferences used in voting can sometimes skew the results a bit in Australian elections. Every system has its particularities!
I will try to have a look at a few of the questions posed on here within the next few days - including Ged Kearney and a few others. I will let you know what I come up with. It just helps to have a bit of quiet and space to be able to think clearly.
Thank you. I also agree with Villager, change takes time.
DcD2510, I agree with you. They won't convince anybody or win anything if they go more to the right. Another very important issue about the Labor party is the fact that they urgently need to update their communication means and strategies. They look and sound like a party from the 70s - Young people find them outdated. I saw many election campaigns around the world but have rarely seen one as reluctant as this one. They can't talk to the young people, can't find a convincing way to communicate their policies and campaign promises, couldn't stress out the reality and urgency of climate change in Australia. And did not create excitement. It is a good thing that Shorten resigned in the end. Think he should have done it long ago.
What I "see" is that they will HAVE TO move more left (green?) in the future if they want to carry the Labor Party to the 21st century. After a substantial change in the team that runs Labor. Will take time to mend the disappoinment. They don't know how to do it yet.
DcD2510, I agree with you. They won't convince anybody or win anything if they go more to the right. Another very important issue about the Labor party is the fact that they urgently need to update their communication means and strategies. They look and sound like a party from the 70s - Young people find them outdated. I saw many election campaigns around the world but have rarely seen one as reluctant as this one. They can't talk to the young people, can't find a convincing way to communicate their policies and campaign promises, couldn't stress out the reality and urgency of climate change in Australia. And did not create excitement. It is a good thing that Shorten resigned in the end. Think he should have done it long ago.
What I "see" is that they will HAVE TO move more left (green?) in the future if they want to carry the Labor Party to the 21st century. After a substantial change in the team that runs Labor. Will take time to mend the disappoinment. They don't know how to do it yet.
If LAbor doesn't move to the left, should the left get behind other parties like The Greens? Also: https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/05/australian-labors-miliband-moment
DcD2510, Labor can't leave center left - most of its votes are there. So everything depends on a consensus on solutions and values. It may try to harbor a wing that is more left. We'll see. What I feel is that it is going to take some time and a lot of effort but they will succeed to consolidate.
DcD2510, Labor can't leave center left - most of its votes are there. So everything depends on a consensus on solutions and values. It may try to harbor a wing that is more left. We'll see. What I feel is that it is going to take some time and a lot of effort but they will succeed to consolidate.
Labor is not centre-left, they are centrist at best. Jeremy Corbyn style policies are centre-left.